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Re: [Fot] FW: Racing rod design

To: Marcel Van Mulders <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: Racing rod design
From: <rkramer3@austin.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:32:00 +0000
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Marcel.

I had a spectacular blow up at Mosport one year, in front of Kas and the whole 
FOT gang. Those were the last stock rods I ever used. LAter I went to the 
Moldex and other than a crack in a journal on a crank on a Moldex after running 
it too hard and hitting 8 grand a  few times, I have avoided breakage. I prefer 
it that way and now I am concerned about those Pauters I bought. Thanks Chris!

Bob Kramer
rkramer3@austin.rr.com

---- Marcel Van Mulders <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be> wrote: 
>  Bob,
> That makes things clear.
> I still use the Carrillo's that I bought when I startet racing my TR3A in
> 2002. About everything broke once or more, except those Carrillo's. The
> original Triumph conrods can fail, but probably Carrillo and also Pauter
> rods have an easy time in our racecars?
> Marcel
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: rkramer3@austin.rr.com [mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com] 
> Verzonden: woensdag 22 juli 2015 22:32
> Aan: Marcel Van Mulders; 'MadMarx'
> CC: fot@autox.team.net
> Onderwerp: Re: FW: [Fot] Racing rod design
> 
> Marcel,
> 
> Those are Carillo's on a TR spec Moldex crank spinning Wieseco pistons.  
> 
> I did buy some Pauters but they are in another engine and haven't been
> tested as hard as the Carillos. I still have a TR4 race car that my son
> drives and the Pauters are in that engine. It has a camshaft of unknown
> origin that builds power between 2500- 5500.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> rkramer3@austin.rr.com
> 
> ---- Marcel Van Mulders <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be> wrote: 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Marcel Van Mulders [mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be]
> > Verzonden: woensdag 22 juli 2015 19:29
> > Aan: 'MadMarx'
> > Onderwerp: RE: [Fot] Racing rod design
> > 
> > Hi Chris and Bob,
> > As you know, I bought Bob's TR4A and I did have a look at the rods : 
> > Pauter may call these rods X-beam but they actually are H-beam rods, 
> > much the same design as the H-beam rods of Carrillo. (b.t.w. 
> > Carrillo's I beam rods are less expensive than their H-beam one's).
> > Marcel
> > 
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens MadMarx
> > Verzonden: dinsdag 21 juli 2015 21:39
> > Aan: 'FOT'
> > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Racing rod design
> > 
> > Hi Bob,
> > 
> > from engineer basis x-beam are the worst you can get. I'll never get a 
> > clue how someone could imagine this design.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Chris
> > 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: rkramer3@austin.rr.com [mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com]
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Juli 2015 21:31
> > An: 'FOT'; MadMarx
> > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Racing rod design
> > 
> > 
> > Chris,http://webmail.roadrunner.com/do/mail/message/reply?msgId=INBOXD
> > ELIM68
> > 586&replyAll=on&referrer=msg#
> > 
> > Look at Pauter Rods. they advertise their design as an x-beam. I can't 
> > say that they are any better based on long term use but a lot of us 
> > switched over due to the increase cost of Carillo's over time.
> > 
> > http://pauter.com/parts/rods/
> > 
> > It just occured to me that you are probably running a custom crank, 
> > Chevy rods with custom pistons to match. They may make comparable 
> > models to fit that too since I believe that setup was designed around the
> rods.
> > 
> > http://webmail.roadrunner.com/do/mail/message/reply?msgId=INBOXDELIM68
> > 586&re
> > plyAll=on&referrer=msg#
> > Bob Kramer
> > rkramer3@austin.rr.com
> > 
> > ---- MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote: 
> > > Hi Guys,
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > After my engine blow at the last race and a rod in two pieces I
> > investigated about rod design.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > In US forums I found an interesting opinion:
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > H-beam rods are for low rev high torque engine (turbo, compressor)
> > > 
> > > I-beam are for medium torque engines with high revs
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > As engineer I agree with this statement. On high revs the rod shaft 
> > > gets
> > bended back and forth by the inertia caused by the rotation.
> > > 
> > > I could imagine that the sharp sides of the H-beam rod will create a 
> > > crack
> > after a while because the stiffness for bending along the rotation 
> > axis smaller than with an I-beam rod.
> > > 
> > > That means to me that the fatigue resistance is smaller on an H-beam 
> > > rod
> > at high revs.
> > > 
> > > With high revs on a long stroke engine I mean 6000+.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > The manufacturer of the broken H-beam rod was Scat.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I think next time I order an I-beam rod from Scat.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > What do you think?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > > 
> > > Chris
> > > 
> > 
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