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Re: [Fot] Racing rod design

To: John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing rod design
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:09:25 +0000 (UTC)
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Thread-topic: Racing rod design
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I've been using them for the last seven years with no problems.=20
jim g=20

----- Original Message -----

From: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.com>=20
To: "Brad Eells" <tr4abrad@gmail.com>, "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" <fot@a=
utox.team.net>=20
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:34:24 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing rod design=20

Yes, they are the ebay rods. I saw some e-mail traffic that they don't clea=
r the cylinder liners at the bottom when rotated.=20

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Brad Eells < tr4abrad@gmail.com > wrote:=
=20



Are these the Ebay rods that have been discussed?=20

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Connecting-Rods-for-Triumph-TR3-TR4-Forged-Conrods-=
Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP-Bolts-/131562025540?hash=3Ditem1ea1b53244&vxp=3Dmtr=20

Any thoughts? The price is certainly attractive...=20


Brad=20

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, MadMarx < tr4racing@googlemail.com > wrot=
e:=20

<blockquote>



Hi Guys,=20

=C2=A0=20

After my engine blow at the last race and a rod in two pieces I investigate=
d about rod design.=20

=C2=A0=20

In US forums I found an interesting opinion:=20

=C2=A0=20

H-beam rods are for low rev high torque engine (turbo, compressor)=20

I-beam are for medium torque engines with high revs=20

=C2=A0=20

As engineer I agree with this statement. On high revs the rod shaft gets be=
nded back and forth by the inertia caused by the rotation.=20

I could imagine that the sharp sides of the H-beam rod will create a crack =
after a while because the stiffness for bending along the rotation axis sma=
ller than with an I-beam rod.=20

That means to me that the fatigue resistance is smaller on an H-beam rod at=
 high revs.=20

With high revs on a long stroke engine I mean 6000+.=20

=C2=A0=20

The manufacturer of the broken H-beam rod was Scat.=20

=C2=A0=20

I think next time I order an I-beam rod from Scat.=20

=C2=A0=20

What do you think?=20

=C2=A0=20

Cheers=20

Chris=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">I've been using them for the last seve=
n years with no problems.<BR></DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">jim g</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetic=
a,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000; FONT-STYLE: normal" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text=
-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt=
;"><B>From: </B>"John Styduhar" &lt;johnstydo@gmail.com&gt;<BR><B>To: </B>"=
Brad Eells" &lt;tr4abrad@gmail.com&gt;, "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" &lt;f=
ot@autox.team.net&gt;<BR><B>Sent: </B>Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:34:24 AM<BR=
><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Fot] Racing rod design<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-size: small;">Yes, they are the ebay rods. I saw some e-mail traffic that=
 they don't clear the cylinder liners at the bottom when rotated.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Brad Eells <SPAN =
dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:tr4abrad@gmail.com"; target=3D_blank data-mc=
e-href=3D"mailto:tr4abrad@gmail.com";>tr4abrad@gmail.com</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrot=
e:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8=
ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Are these the Ebay rods that have been discussed?
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/Connecting-Rods-for-Triumph-TR3-TR4=
-Forged-Conrods-Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP-Bolts-/131562025540?hash=3Ditem1ea1b53=
244&amp;vxp=3Dmtr" target=3D_blank data-mce-href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm=
/Connecting-Rods-for-Triumph-TR3-TR4-Forged-Conrods-Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP-Bo=
lts-/131562025540?hash=3Ditem1ea1b53244&amp;vxp=3Dmtr">http://www.ebay.com/=
itm/Connecting-Rods-for-Triumph-TR3-TR4-Forged-Conrods-Con-Rod-158-75mm-ARP=
-Bolts-/131562025540?hash=3Ditem1ea1b53244&amp;vxp=3Dmtr</A><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Any thoughts? The price is certainly attractive...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Brad</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, MadMarx <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=
=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D_blank data-mce-href=3D"mailt=
o:tr4racing@googlemail.com">tr4racing@googlemail.com</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<=
BR></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8=
ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV lang=3DDE>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana"=
,"sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Hi Guys,<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-=
DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPA=
N><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decorat=
ion: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana"=
,"sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATI=
ON: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN>&nbsp;=
<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoratio=
n: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">After my engine=
 blow at the last race and a rod in two pieces I investigated about rod des=
ign.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decor=
ation: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-m=
ce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">In US forums I =
found an interesting opinion:<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECO=
RATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></=
SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">H-beam rods are=
 for low rev high torque engine (turbo, compressor)<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECO=
RATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><S=
PAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration:=
 underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">I-beam are for =
medium torque engines with high revs<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underli=
ne" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TE=
XT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></=
SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">As engineer I a=
gree with this statement. On high revs the rod shaft gets bended back and f=
orth by the inertia caused by the rotation.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: =
underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN styl=
e=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underli=
ne;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">I could imagine=
 that the sharp sides of the H-beam rod will create a crack after a while b=
ecause the stiffness for bending along the rotation axis smaller than with =
an I-beam rod.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"=
text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underli=
ne" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">That means to m=
e that the fatigue resistance is smaller on an H-beam rod at high revs.<SPA=
N style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: u=
nderline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=
=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">With high revs =
on a long stroke engine I mean 6000+.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underl=
ine" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"T=
EXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"><=
/SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">The manufacture=
r of the broken H-beam rod was Scat.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underli=
ne" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TE=
XT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></=
SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">I think next ti=
me I order an I-beam rod from Scat.<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underlin=
e" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEX=
T-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></S=
PAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">What do you thi=
nk?<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decora=
tion: underline;"></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mc=
e-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: "Verdana","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d' data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10=
.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><SPAN style=3D"=
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">=
</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN style=3D"TEXT-DECORATION: underline" data-mce-style=3D"t=
ext-decoration: underline;"></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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