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I guess I'm confused. How much worse is the stroke of a tr4. =20
In my spitfire 1500 we use stock rods and a stock crank shaft and shift poin=
t is 7200 rpm. Guys using the moldex cranks and forged rods are getting 8500=
or so. And these are the pauter x style.=20
Are you sure the initial failure was the rod and not something before that?
AaronJohnson
H Prod spitfire 1500
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 07:40, John Hasty <jhasty@mhc-law.com> wrote:
>=20
> Gee Whiz=E2=80=A6.you guys know a h- - - of a lot more about this than me,=
but I reason that if Manley etc. make a rod that withstands the rigors of a=
800+ hp American V8 turning upwards of 9000 rpm and it costs =C2=BD of what=
P and C are charging it makes sense to use them=E2=80=A6..
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> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Styduhar
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 9:59 AM
> To: Christian Marx; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing rod design
> =20
> Pauter has been making this design for almost 30 years with zero cold fail=
ures. If it were a poor design they would have changed it out of necessity.=
According to a Pauter rep., the main reason they started manufacturing the=
ir own rods in the first place was due to the fact that the H beam and I bea=
m rods they were using couldn=E2=80=99t put up with what they were throwing a=
t them with their turbo charged 4cylinder engines. =20
> If you spin a rod bearing, eventually you will break anything.=20
> =20
> =20
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Christian Marx <tr4racing@googlemail.com>=
wrote:
> I saw the pictures of Pauter.
> This type has no material were it needs and too much were it doesn't make s=
ense. Maybe for very short rods usable.
>=20
> Am 23.07.2015 14:46 schrieb "John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.com>:
> The Pauter design is a cross-beam (an inside-out H beam) not an x-beam and=
shares H-beam design properties because of this.=20
> =20
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:34 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote:=
> Today I had a look to a book called race car design.
> It also contains engines, and as detail rods and their designs. I, H, blad=
e =E2=80=93 no x-beam (seems they never got the idea that someone could get t=
he idea of an x-beam rod)
> =20
> They said that F1 uses I-beam rods because they have the best stiffness to=
weight ratio.
> Also German DTM-cars use I-beam rods.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Tourenwagen_Masters
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> Chris
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I guess I'm confused. How much w=
orse is the stroke of a tr4. </div><div><br></div><div>In my spitfire 1=
500 we use stock rods and a stock crank shaft and shift point is 7200 rpm. G=
uys using the moldex cranks and forged rods are getting 8500 or so. A=
nd these are the pauter x style. </div><div><br></div><div>Are you sure=
the initial failure was the rod and not something before that?<br><br>Aaron=
Johnson</div><div>H Prod spitfire 1500<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div>=
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 23, 2015 9:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Christian Marx; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Racing rod design<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Pauter has been making this design for a=
lmost 30 years with zero cold failures. If it were a poor design they w=
ould have changed it out of necessity. According
to a Pauter rep., the main reason they started manufacturing their own rods=
in the first place was due to the fact that the H beam and I beam rods they=
were using couldn=E2=80=99t put up with what they were throwing at them wit=
h their turbo charged 4cylinder engines.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If you spin a rod bearing, eventua=
lly you will break anything. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Christian Marx <<=
a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D"_blank">tr4racing@googl=
email.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p>I saw the pictures of Pauter.<br>
This type has no material were it needs and too much were it doesn't make se=
nse. Maybe for very short rods usable.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Am 23.07.2015 14:46 schrieb "John Styduhar" <<a hr=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The Pauter design is a cross-beam (an i=
nside-out H beam) not an x-beam and shares H-beam design properties because o=
f this. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:34 AM, MadMarx <<a href=3D=
"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D"_blank">tr4racing@googlemail.com=
</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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t:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans=
-serif;color:#1F497D">Today I had a look to a book called race car design.</=
span><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans=
-serif;color:#1F497D">It also contains engines, and as detail rods and their=
designs. I, H, blade =E2=80=93 no x-beam (seems they
never got the idea that someone could get the idea of an x-beam rod)</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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