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To: Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com> s=q20140121; t=1457085606; bh=PYnaEBtO4hgIQL7vtNvZKHXKoJsyAPYyBblc+7wTJEw=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=MhAEIoITlXJGkx0m2eJWjXVfU/l84NsKGtShA0hfkdkQ6gwOO5w/JW3g+qYfnYVC9 unjtOEnHsapGWvpDbafL94+2tNiNHPOVm8gSzlB6CuLAieiCWPlSv3qN9GTPoS+3Bi W1f3FbJCE0fysgs/edekO6TXtRFSh3WXiuNkUFaOavcO5QtxPWfiE5xvTYbhPVLw9M ++dBTPdyKuKLBFItnlNTeDUpqeKIFTSjcG0a/q7VJfFVl5k2lENhbQQ4QlHZw7mh4/ Yy2OB4a6t/CGMuxxmjqqlRorjoljbheM4V+cbMLY338HF3G4y2uUOffwe2aH3XyJOY wRU0Y6OEXj2yQ==
Subject: Re: [Fot] Driveshaft angles on 1970 GT6
From: Brian Garcia <cudapilot@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 01:59:52 -0800
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Yes, great description. Greg. =20

For those of us with live axle cars you must consider the dynamic relative a=
ngle of the center carrier under load.  In higher hp applications the leaf s=
prings will wind up under acceleration and the angle will change.  In additi=
on to shortening the life of your u joint, it can lead to wheel hop issues. =
 Wheel hop can occur under hard braking from the same windup.  On my barracu=
da I stiffened the front spring segment to help limit axle windup.   On the C=
heetah there is no driveshaft to worry about... ;)

Brian Garcia
Friendly Ghost Racing

> On Mar 3, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com> wrote:
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> I love this group. Great stuff.=20
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> Greg
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 3, 2016, at 9:16 PM, Richard Good <goodparts@verizon.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> A straight line drawn through the transmission output shaft should be clo=
se to parallel to a line through the diff pinion shaft.  It is OK if the dri=
veshaft is not parallel to these lines.  So if the rear of the trans is tilt=
ed down 6.5 degrees then lets say the driveshaft is level, the front U-joint=
 operating at a 6.5 deg angle will cause the driveshaft to speed up and slow=
 down as it rotates.  If the nose of the diff is tilted up at the same 6.5 d=
eg, these velocity oscillations will be cancelled out by the rear U-joint an=
d the diff pinion will rotate smoothly.
>> =20
>> When you say the diff is tilted downward at 5.5 degrees do you mean that t=
he nose is pointed down?  This would be a bad situation as the oscillations o=
f the driveshaft would be exaggerated rather than cancelled by the rear U-jo=
int and you would have nasty vibration.  Hopefully your diff nose is pointed=
 upward 5.5 deg.  This would place the imaginary lines within 1 degree of pa=
rallel and close enough for smooth operation.
>> =20
>> Richard Good
>>=20
>> From: damys@charter.net
>> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 8:44 PM
>> To: 'fot@autox.team.net'
>> Subject: [Fot] Driveshaft angles on 1970 GT6
>>=20
>> Need a bit of advice regarding driveshaft angles.  The rear transmission f=
lange is tilted downward 6 1/2 degrees.  The diff is tilted downward at 5 1/=
2 degrees.  The difference is 12 degrees.  Is this too much for a universal j=
oint setup to manage?  We've considered raising the front of the diff, but t=
hen the spring will be twisted and we don't know how this will affect the re=
ar suspension. Any help is appreciated.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Dave and Alex
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>Yes, great description. Gre=
g. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>For those of us with live axle cars you m=
ust consider the dynamic relative angle of the center carrier under load. &n=
bsp;In higher hp applications the leaf springs will wind up under accelerati=
on and the angle will change. &nbsp;In addition to shortening the life of yo=
ur u joint, it can lead to wheel hop issues. &nbsp;Wheel hop can occur under=
 hard braking from the same windup. &nbsp;On my barracuda I stiffened the fr=
ont spring segment to help limit axle windup. &nbsp; On the Cheetah there is=
 no driveshaft to worry about... ;)</div><div><br></div><div>Brian Garcia</d=
iv><div>Friendly Ghost Racing</div><div><br>On Mar 3, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Greg=
 Blake &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com";>gblake58tr3@icloud.com<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D=
"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div>I love this group=
. Great stuff.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D=
"AppleMailSignature">Greg<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Mar 3,=
 2016, at 9:16 PM, Richard Good &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:goodparts@verizon.net"=
>goodparts@verizon.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><div>

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<div><font face=3D"Calibri">A straight line drawn through the transmission o=
utput=20
shaft should be close to parallel to a line through the diff pinion shaft.&n=
bsp;=20
It is OK if the driveshaft is not parallel to these lines.&nbsp; So if the r=
ear=20
of the trans is tilted down 6.5 degrees then lets say the driveshaft is leve=
l,=20
the front U-joint operating at a 6.5 deg angle will cause the driveshaft to=20=

speed up and slow down as it rotates.&nbsp; If the nose of the diff is tilte=
d up=20
at the same 6.5 deg, these velocity oscillations will be cancelled out by th=
e=20
rear U-joint and the diff pinion will rotate smoothly.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri">When you say the diff is tilted downward at 5.5 d=
egrees=20
do you mean that the nose is pointed down?&nbsp; This would be a bad situati=
on=20
as the oscillations of the driveshaft would be exaggerated rather than cance=
lled=20
by the rear U-joint and you would have nasty vibration.&nbsp; Hopefully your=
=20
diff nose is pointed upward 5.5 deg.&nbsp; This would place the imaginary li=
nes=20
within 1 degree of parallel and close enough for smooth operation.</font></d=
iv>
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<div><font face=3D"Calibri">Richard Good</font></div>
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<div style=3D"font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"mailto:damys@chart=
er.net
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.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 03, 2016 8:44 PM</div>
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am.net'">'fot@autox.team.net'</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Driveshaft angles on 1970 GT6</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>
<p>Need a bit of advice regarding driveshaft angles.&nbsp; The rear transmis=
sion=20
flange is tilted downward 6 1/2 degrees.&nbsp; The diff is tilted downward a=
t 5=20
1/2 degrees.&nbsp; The difference is 12 degrees. &nbsp;Is this too much for a=
=20
universal joint setup to manage? &nbsp;We've considered raising the front of=
 the=20
diff, but then the spring will be twisted and we don't know how this will af=
fect=20
the rear suspension. Any help is appreciated.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Dave and Alex</p>
<p>
</p><hr>

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