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Re: [Fot] TR3 front end conversion to TR6 parts: Camber - moving the bal

To: John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 front end conversion to TR6 parts: Camber - moving the ball joint inward
From: Bill <ponobill@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 08:05:30 -0700
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Actually the late TR4 trunnions with caster seem to be more easily =
available and they have the pressed in shaft. At least that used to be =
the case as I recall. I have those trunnions in Peyote.=20

> On May 22, 2016, at 3:36 AM, John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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> Jack, if you are going to do this conversion you will also need to =
acquire the later model lower control arms (or modify your lower control =
arms if possible) because the trunnion assembly for a TR6 uses a thru =
bolt and not the shaft type on the earlier TRs.  You will also need to =
retrofit the inner lower control arm bushings from the later model onto =
the TR3 mounting points. Everything will bolt together.=20
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> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 1:34 AM, Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com =
> I am hoping to upgrade the front suspension on my (street/AutoX) TR3 =
this summer by changing out the upper A-arm, vertical link and trunnion =
to TR6 parts.  I will use =E2=80=9Cthe=E2=80=9D Jag ball joint and shim =
it as required.  Due to the complexity of shortening the upper A-arm or =
moving the inner pivot point inward, I am considering welding an =
extension to the upper A-Arm ball joint mounting tabs on the inside to =
mount the ball joint further inward and produce a similar result to =
shortening the A-arm.  I have not removed my TR3 A-Arms yet, but it =
appears there is room to move the ball joint inward at least an inch in =
this way.  I know I can=E2=80=99t go as far as those of you who have =
shortened the upper arms, but it seems like it could be a decent =
compromise.  I am concerned though, as this seems too easy.  None of you =
guys have done it. Instead you have shortening the upper arms which, =
from what I have read, is challenging, as is moving the inner pivot =
point and retaining substantial structure.
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> So, the question is. . . . . . . Why is simply moving the ball joint =
further inboard not a good solution?  What am I missing?
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> Thanks in advance,
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> Jack
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Actually the late TR4 trunnions with caster seem to be more =
easily available and they have the pressed in shaft. At least that used =
to be the case as I recall. I have those trunnions in Peyote.&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 22, 2016, at 3:36 AM, John Styduhar &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com"; class=3D"">johnstydo@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small">Jack, if you are going to do this conversion =
you will also need to acquire the later model lower control arms (or =
modify your lower control arms if possible) because the trunnion =
assembly for a TR6 uses a thru bolt and not the shaft type on the =
earlier TRs.&nbsp; You will also need to retrofit the inner lower =
control arm bushings from the later model onto the TR3 mounting points. =
Everything will bolt together.&nbsp;<br class=3D""></div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, =
May 21, 2016 at 1:34 AM, Jack Brooks <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:JIBrooks@live.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">JIBrooks@live.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" =
link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif" =
class=3D"">I am hoping to upgrade the front suspension on my =
(street/AutoX) TR3 this summer by changing out the upper A-arm, vertical =
link and trunnion to TR6 parts.&nbsp; I will use =E2=80=9Cthe=E2=80=9D =
Jag ball joint and shim it as required.&nbsp; Due to the complexity of =
shortening the upper A-arm or moving the inner pivot point inward, I am =
considering welding an extension to the upper A-Arm ball joint mounting =
tabs on the inside to mount the ball joint further inward and produce a =
similar result to shortening the A-arm.&nbsp; I have not removed my TR3 =
A-Arms yet, but it appears there is room to move the ball joint inward =
at least an inch in this way.&nbsp; I know I can=E2=80=99t go as far as =
those of you who have shortened the upper arms, but it seems like it =
could be a decent compromise.&nbsp; I am concerned though, as this seems =
too easy.&nbsp; None of you guys have done it. Instead you have =
shortening the upper arms which, from what I have read, is challenging, =
as is moving the inner pivot point and retaining substantial =
structure.</span><u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif" =
class=3D"">So, the question is. . . . . . . Why is simply moving the =
ball joint further inboard not a good solution?&nbsp; What am I =
missing?<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif" =
class=3D"">Thanks in advance,<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
color=3D"#888888" class=3D""><u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></font></span></span></p><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
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class=3D""><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif" =
class=3D"">Jack<u class=3D""></u><u =
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