Just bought some here in Michigan from O'Reilly's Auto Parts, on sale for
$4.99/quart or $24.95/5qt jug.
Mal Hickok
BJ7 & BJ8
Richland, MI
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
To: warthodson <warthodson at aol.com>
Cc: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2017 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
That's a little harsh, Gary.
After my initial post, I did some googling and found some anecdotal
'evidence;' here's just one example (from our LBC brethren):
http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?1,3222905
You can 'research' yourself by googling 'valvoline vr1 20w-50 banned in
california;' it appears others have thought the same.
I have no prefabricated agenda; I'm doing an expensive engine rebuild for
my BJ8 and want the best oil possible--for a reasonable price--for the
engine when I reinstall it (my cam lobes and tappet faces were seriously
worn). I'd been buying VR1 for a while when the local parts house told me
'we pulled it off the shelves.' My engine builder--when asked if VR1 was
a good oil for older, flat tappet engines said 'Yeah, but you can't get it
in California.' So, I got curious (and, in the meantime, bought 3
cases online).
Banning VR1 made no sense, since other brands--Castrol, for one--still
claim 'adequate' ZDDP for older, flat tappet engines, and the consensus
seemed to be that many 20W-50 oils still had sufficient ZDDP since they
weren't likely to be used in newer cars with catalytic converters, but
that's the 'reading' I was getting from several sources. I had resigned
myself to buying online and, with a full case order you can get free
shipping from Amazon at a better price than the parts house anyway.
I will confess to being a bit predisposed to assume the 'banned' scenario;
several products which I've found to be effective--3M's adhesive remover,
for one--appear* to be NLA in CA, and I think the best upholstery adhesive
I know of--Weldwood--hasn't been seen on shelves around here for a while
(I buy qt bottles from my upholsterer, who buys 5-gal cans from, well, I
don't want to know where). I'll also confess to a poor choice of wording
in my previous post--I was speculating and should have made that clear
for the nuance-challenged.
Full Disclosure: I'm a native Californian--fourth-generation, to be
exact--and have mixed feelings about some of my state's political actions
(but have defended some of them on several occasions). I can attest to a
dramatic improvement in our air quality over my lifetime, and we have a
ways to go. I also have a background in chemistry--both educational and
in the workforce--so I understand the dangers of some
compounds--halogenated hydrocarbons in particular--being let loose in the
environment, so I stride both sides of the environmental arguments. It
should be noted CA does not require vehicle inspections--a serious tax and
hassle, IMO--and the state did us old car owners a solid when it
eliminated the smog check for pre-1968 cars.
I still don't have an answer as to why VR1 was pulled from store shelves,
but has now reappeared. Either there was a misunderstanding--possibly*
with the SAE rating system--or, possibly* Valvoline changed the
formulation to comply*.
Bob
* NOTE: PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART.
On 2/9/2017 7:55 AM, warthodson at aol.com wrote:
Or maybe you are fabricating a wholly unsubstantiated scenario to fit
with your own personal beliefs & prejudices?
Gary Hodson
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
Cc: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2017 9:33 am
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
Well, my local parts house--the same one that pulled it off
the shelf a
year or so ago--now has its back on the shelf for ~$7/qt.
It appears this was a bureaucratic overreaction/SNAFU to some
regulations that may or may not have had an effect, or maybe
Valvoline
changed the formulation to comply.
bs
On 2/8/2017 12:21 PM, David Masucci wrote:
> Are you guys referring to the full synthetic, or the
conventional version of this oil!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Bruce Steele <healeybruce at
roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> I checked at my local NAPA in Brea, CA just a couple of
weeks ago, and they
>> have it.
>>
>> Bruce Steele
>> Brea, CA
>> 1960 BN7
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bob
>> Spidell
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 3:46 PM
>> To: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Healeys] Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
>>
>> Anybody know why this isn't available in California any
more? Yes, it
>> supposedly has high levels of ZDDP, but to my knowledge
only the 20W-50, as
>> do other 20W-50s that are still available. My local parts
house told me a
>> while ago they 'had to pull it off the shelves,' and my
engine builder says
>> it's NLA in California, but he sells Kendall 20W-50,
which claims high ZDDP.
>>
>> AFAIK, it can still be 'imported.'
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>
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