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Yes the alignment is another good point, misalignment can eat up a chain a=
nd set of gears quickly.The tensioner design is fine for a stock engine but=
it's just another point where we're pushing it way beyond design limits.Id=
eally it should have a spring/oil pressure pad ala MG, Jaguar, etc.Making t=
he best of a bad situation, good quality gears and chain, and a plated tens=
ioner, will last a long time.I also polish the free end of the tensioner wh=
ere it slides on the inside of the timing cover, some have very rough sharp=
edges and will "scrape" right through the cover.(Yeah some of you are nodd=
ing your head and laughing at memories of elusive oil leaks...)Glen
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-----Original Message-----
From: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 7:17 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird Race Weekend Question
If=C2=A0 the chain tensioner is badly worn (deep grooves) after a short tim=
e, this is a sign that the chain is moving wildly. This can happen when the=
chain gears are not properly aligned : aligning the gears is very importan=
t and should be checked when a billet steel crankshaft or non original gear=
s (Vernier camshaft gear) are fitted. I don't know for the Spitfire chain t=
ensioner, but the TR 4 cyl=C2=A0 tensioner does next to nothing for keeping=
=C2=A0 the chain quietly. Does someone know of a trick to replace this very=
weak tensioner with something stronger, or a tensioner that is working wit=
h the oil pressure?=C2=A0Marcel
Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Aan: "rick parent" <rick.parent@att.net>, "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Dinsdag 26 november 2019 18:33:10
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Weird Race Weekend Question
Damned right, my 1300 small-crank has always had a single row chain, for t=
hat reason, that double-row setup is heavy.At 6-8 hour TBO, the chain & ten=
sioner were routine replacement anyhow.Also not all chains & tensioners are=
created equal, some vendors are now offering quality chains as an option, =
and the tensioners should be plated, they last a lot longer.
Glen
heavy ass double chain set up??=20
=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Parent via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: fot <fot@autox.team.net>; Mathieu W. Huovinen <maddhatt69@aol.com>; Rob=
ert Lang <robertlangtr6@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 9:28 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird Race Weekend Question
That's about normal, why in the sam hell are you using that heavy ass doub=
le chain set up?? Come on man get it together.
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 08:29:26 AM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fo=
t@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
Hi - They usually "jump" a tooth on overrun, or at least that's my experi=
ence. Or it can happen on a backfire... I had a Pontiac with a V8 back in t=
he day. The exhaust pipe broke before the muffler, so it had a really kool =
rumble sound. I used to take it out at night and drive exit ramps at "stupi=
d speed" and then downshift the auto trans one gear to get the koolest soun=
d... not to mention "power-off oversteer".=C2=A0 Drift City. After one of t=
hese excursions, the engine became very hard to start. I took the car off t=
he road and sold it to a friend. About a month later, he called me up all p=
issed off and wanting his $600 back because he had to fix the timing chain.
Never sold a car to a friend or associate ever again.
;-)
But in addition to the new chain and tensioner, take a close look at that c=
rank gear and make sure the "troughs" don't have a burr or the points aren'=
t sharp, either would indicate wear and you don't want that.
I don't recall a spec for play in the chain, but you want "as little as pos=
sible". If you can get the cam gear onto the cam easily with the chain thre=
aded, that's too loose.
C ya,Bob Lang
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 7:54:29 AM EST, Mathieu W. Huovinen <mad=
dhatt69@aol.com> wrote: =20
=20
Bob and FOT,I'm beginning to suspect a combination of a weak chain tension=
er and an engine harmonic that may have caused it. Attached a pic of the pl=
ay in the timing chain..about 1/2". Is that too much? If so, Ted, I'll be c=
ontacting you shortly. Chain is about two years old, maybe 6 weekend s of r=
acing on it. New chain tensioner from Moss should be here today and I'm int=
erested in seeing the difference in spring arch between the original single=
chain tensioner and the new TR6 double chain tensioner. Stay tuned!Mathieu=
On Monday, November 25, 2019 Robert Lang <robertlangtr6@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi - I've seen this before. Mostly on American V8's but the principle is t=
he same... It's almost always a loose chain or worn teeth on the crank gear=
. If the=C2=A0 crank gear has really sharp teeth, the gear is probably worn=
. Note that this is really easy to overlook. And I've had this problem with=
TR6 engines a couple of times. Especially if you sourced the inexpensive g=
ears. Seems like the hardening of the metal is wrong on some of the parts o=
ut there.
That said, the numbers look like you jumped more than one tooth. If the "ju=
mp" occurred on the crank end one tooth is about 17 degrees (360/21 teeth).=
Your mention of 150ish for your lobe center sound more like more than 34 d=
egrees or retard, the progression would be (roughly) 104 - good, 121 - not =
good, 138 - bad, 155 - really bad, etc. Note that I have seen engines run w=
ith more than 30 degrees of retard, but they ran very poorly!
I'd double check your crank gear for wear... actually, I'd just replace it =
along with the tensioner. Note that the current chain tensioners seem to be=
not as good as the OEM ones as the new ones wear fairly rapidly.
On the plus side, at least you didn't bend a valve in the process.
C ya,Bob Lang339-927-4489
On Sunday, November 24, 2019, 10:38:49 PM EST, Mathieu W. Huovinen via =
Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
Fellas,
Sounds like we have the bearing cap strap issue resolved...who is up for an=
other mystery? Has anyone ever has their timing chain skip a tooth??
Final race on Saturday at the Turlkey Bowl this weekend at Summit Point. Tr=
iumph Spitfire..1296 engine. Double roller chain set. Car was running well =
all weekend, was out twice earlier that day. We leave false grid for the to=
set up for the first lap and I begin to accelerate. All of a sudden the ca=
r just dies and I coast off the track even before turn one. On the side of =
the track I couldn't start the car. In my mind I'm thinking my perrtonix di=
stributor just took a shit. Got towed in and all I'm thinking in pertronix.=
I swap in a points distributor and nothing. Perhaps my coil? Swap in a new=
coil. Nothing. Plugs perhaps? Swap in a good set of NGKs. Nothing. Not eve=
n a cough out of the engine. By this time I had run down the battery from t=
rying to start it so much. At this point I was jumping the racecar battery =
from my Tundra truck battery thinking perhaps a weak spark from a shot batt=
ery. Nothing. Was getting plenty of fuel because the plugs were wet. I even=
pulled and cleaned all the jets out of the Weber 45 DCOE just to make sure=
I was getting correct fuel. Fuel. Air. Spark. COMPRESSION. This next day (=
this morning) I did a compression test at the track. 80/70/70/70. What the =
heck? Thats not a blown head gasket..the cam HAS to be out of timing. I spe=
nt the majority of the 5 hour drive home trying to figure it out. Got home,=
car off trailer, straight to work. Pulled radiator, pulley, timing chain c=
over. No damage. Find TDC and put on my degree wheel. Pulled rockers and se=
t dial indicator on #1 intake. Tuned engine over to where cam sheet says wh=
ere #1 centerline is- 104 degrees after TDC while watching dial indicator. =
Went past 104 and dial was still climbing. Made it to to about 150ish degre=
es past TDC til indicator started to drop back down so I know I had went ri=
ght past the peak of the lobe. Pulled chain off carefully and rotated camsh=
aft until I found peak of lobe and moved crank back to 104 and set the chai=
n back on...about one tooth =C2=A0Put rockers back on and checked compressi=
on on #1. 160 PSI. That's as far as I got before my wife came down to yell =
art me. It was already 2130 at this point. More tomorrow as I put it back t=
ogether.=C2=A0
Thoughts? Ideas? Can the timing chain "float" at high revs? Thank-you in ad=
vance for any input!
V/r,
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<div> <font size=3D"2">Yes the alignment is another good point, misalignmen=
t can eat up a chain and set of gears quickly.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">The tensioner design is fine for a stock engine but i=
t's just another point where we're pushing it way beyond design limits.</fo=
nt></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Ideally it should have a spring/oil pressure pad ala =
MG, Jaguar, etc.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Making the best of a bad situation, good quality gear=
s and chain, and a plated tensioner, will last a long time.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">I also polish the free end of the tensioner where it =
slides on the inside of the timing cover, some have very rough sharp edges =
and will "scrape" right through the cover.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">(Yeah some of you are nodding your head and laughing =
at memories of elusive oil leaks...)</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen</font><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
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Original Message-----<br>
From: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be><br>
To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com><br>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 7:17 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird Race Weekend Question<br>
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<div id=3D"yiv1802342104">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:1=
0pt;color:#000000;">
<div>If the chain tensioner is badly worn (deep grooves) after a shor=
t time, this is a sign that the chain is moving wildly. This can happen whe=
n the chain gears are not properly aligned : aligning the gears is very imp=
ortant and should be checked when a billet steel crankshaft or non original=
gears (Vernier camshaft gear) are fitted. I don't know for the Spitfire ch=
ain tensioner, but the TR 4 cyl tensioner does next to nothing for ke=
eping the chain quietly. Does someone know of a trick to replace this=
very weak tensioner with something stronger, or a tensioner that is workin=
g with the oil pressure? </div>
<div>Marcel</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv1802342104yqt2433664351" id=3D"yiv1802342104yqt51109">
<div><b>Van: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none"><b>Aan:=
</b>"rick parent" <rick.parent@att.net>, "fot" <fot@autox.team.ne=
t><br clear=3D"none"><b>Verzonden: </b>Dinsdag 26 november 2019 18:33:10=
<br clear=3D"none"><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Weird Race Weekend Question<=
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">
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<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;">
<div> <span style=3D"font-size:small;">Damned right, my 1300 small-crank ha=
s always had a single row chain, for that reason, that double-row setup is =
heavy.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small;">At 6-8 hour TBO, the chain & tens=
ioner were routine replacement anyhow.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small;">Also not all chains & tensioners =
are created equal, some vendors are now offering quality chains as an optio=
n, and the tensioners should be plated, they last a lot longer.<br clear=3D=
"none">
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small;">Glen<br clear=3D"none">
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small;"></span><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica';font-size:10pt;color:black;=
"><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid blue;padding-left:3px;">heavy =
ass double chain set up?? </blockquote></div>
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">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Rick Parent via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none">
To: fot <fot@autox.team.net>; Mathieu W. Huovinen <maddhatt69@aol.=
com>; Robert Lang <robertlangtr6@yahoo.com><br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 9:28 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird Race Weekend Question<br clear=3D"none">
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erif;font-size:16px;">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">That's about normal, why in the sam hell are you using tha=
t heavy ass double chain set up?? Come on man get it together.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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erif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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<div>
<div>
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 08:29:26 AM EST, Robert =
Lang via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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=20
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
=20
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
=20
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;">
=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi - They usually "jump" a tooth on overrun, or at least t=
hat's my experience. Or it can happen on a backfire... I had a Pontiac with=
a V8 back in the day. The exhaust pipe broke before the muffler, so it had=
a really kool rumble sound. I used to take it out at night and drive exit =
ramps at "stupid speed" and then downshift the auto trans one gear to get t=
he koolest sound... not to mention "power-off oversteer". Drift City.=
After one of these excursions, the engine became very hard to start. I too=
k the car off the road and sold it to a friend. About a month later, he cal=
led me up all pissed off and wanting his $600 back because he had to fix th=
e timing chain.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Never sold a car to a friend or associate ever again.</div=
>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">;-)</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">But in addition to the new chain and tensioner, take a clo=
se look at that crank gear and make sure the "troughs" don't have a burr or=
the points aren't sharp, either would indicate wear and you don't want tha=
t.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I don't recall a spec for play in the chain, but you want =
"as little as possible". If you can get the cam gear onto the cam easily wi=
th the chain threaded, that's too loose.<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">C ya,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Lang<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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erif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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<div>
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 7:54:29 AM EST, Mathieu =
W. Huovinen <maddhatt69@aol.com> wrote:
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=20
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
=20
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob and FOT,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I'm beginning to suspect a combination of a weak chain ten=
sioner and an engine harmonic that may have caused it. Attached a pic of th=
e play in the timing chain..about 1/2". Is that too much? If so, Ted, I'll =
be contacting you shortly. Chain is about two years old, maybe 6 weekend s =
of racing on it. New chain tensioner from Moss should be here today and I'm=
interested in seeing the difference in spring arch between the original si=
ngle chain tensioner and the new TR6 double chain tensioner. Stay tuned!</d=
iv>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Mathieu </div>
<hr style=3D"border-style:none;border-width:0px;min-height:1px;color:rgb( 1=
53 , 153 , 153 );background-color:rgb( 153 , 153 , 153 );width:100%;margin:=
0px 0px 9px;padding:0px;"><span style=3D"font-size:14px;color:#999999;">On =
Monday, November 25, 2019 Robert Lang <<span style=3D"color:#0000a0;">ro=
bertlangtr6@yahoo.com</span>> wrote:</span><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;">
=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi - I've seen this before. Mostly on American V8's but th=
e principle is the same... It's almost always a loose chain or worn teeth o=
n the crank gear. If the crank gear has really sharp teeth, the gear =
is probably worn. Note that this is really easy to overlook. And I've had t=
his problem with TR6 engines a couple of times. Especially if you sourced t=
he inexpensive gears. Seems like the hardening of the metal is wrong on som=
e of the parts out there.<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">That said, the numbers look like you jumped more than one =
tooth. If the "jump" occurred on the crank end one tooth is about 17 degree=
s (360/21 teeth). Your mention of 150ish for your lobe center sound more li=
ke more than 34 degrees or retard, the progression would be (roughly) 104 -=
good, 121 - not good, 138 - bad, 155 - really bad, etc. Note that I have s=
een engines run with more than 30 degrees of retard, but they ran very poor=
ly!</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I'd double check your crank gear for wear... actually, I'd=
just replace it along with the tensioner. Note that the current chain tens=
ioners seem to be not as good as the OEM ones as the new ones wear fairly r=
apidly.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On the plus side, at least you didn't bend a valve in the =
process.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">C ya,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Lang</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">339-927-4489<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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erif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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<div>
<div>
On Sunday, November 24, 2019, 10:38:49 PM EST, Mathieu =
W. Huovinen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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=20
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
=20
<div>
<div>
<div style=3D"color:black;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch=
:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'arial';">Fellas,
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Sounds like we have the bearing cap strap issue resolved...who is up f=
or another mystery? Has anyone ever has their timing chain skip a tooth??</=
div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Final race on Saturday at the Turlkey Bowl this weekend at Summit Poin=
t. Triumph Spitfire..1296 engine. Double roller chain set. Car was running =
well all weekend, was out twice earlier that day. We leave false grid for t=
he to set up for the first lap and I begin to accelerate. All of a sudden t=
he car just dies and I coast off the track even before turn one. On the sid=
e of the track I couldn't start the car. In my mind I'm thinking my perrton=
ix distributor just took a shit. Got towed in and all I'm thinking in pertr=
onix. I swap in a points distributor and nothing. Perhaps my coil? Swap in =
a new coil. Nothing. Plugs perhaps? Swap in a good set of NGKs. Nothing. No=
t even a cough out of the engine. By this time I had run down the battery f=
rom trying to start it so much. At this point I was jumping the racecar bat=
tery from my Tundra truck battery thinking perhaps a weak spark from a shot=
battery. Nothing. Was getting plenty of fuel because the plugs were wet. I=
even pulled and cleaned all the jets out of the Weber 45 DCOE just to make=
sure I was getting correct fuel. Fuel. Air. Spark. COMPRESSION. This next =
day (this morning) I did a compression test at the track. 80/70/70/70. What=
the heck? Thats not a blown head gasket..the cam HAS to be out of timing. =
I spent the majority of the 5 hour drive home trying to figure it out. Got =
home, car off trailer, straight to work. Pulled radiator, pulley, timing ch=
ain cover. No damage. Find TDC and put on my degree wheel. Pulled rockers a=
nd set dial indicator on #1 intake. Tuned engine over to where cam sheet sa=
ys where #1 centerline is- 104 degrees after TDC while watching dial indica=
tor. Went past 104 and dial was still climbing. Made it to to about 150ish =
degrees past TDC til indicator started to drop back down so I know I had we=
nt right past the peak of the lobe. Pulled chain off carefully and rotated =
camshaft until I found peak of lobe and moved crank back to 104 and set the=
chain back on...about one tooth Put rockers back on and checked comp=
ression on #1. 160 PSI. That's as far as I got before my wife came down to =
yell art me. It was already 2130 at this point. More tomorrow as I put it b=
ack together. </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thoughts? Ideas? Can the timing chain "float" at high revs? Thank-you =
in advance for any input!</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>V/r,</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Mathieu Huovinen</div>
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