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To: Bill Dentinger <billdentin@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage
From: Philip Ethier via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 18:06:13 -0600
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Yup.  Tack it together the way you want it and have a certified welder do
the final.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:16 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Tony...
>
> Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had in the mid-1980s. =E2=80=9CJ=
ust
> because you can afford a Ford GT40, does not mean you can drive one.=E2=
=80=9D We
> trashed two or three of them at Road America at one event.
>
> While I stand in awe of those able to do all of their own work
> satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to do mine, and I would =
do
> the things I was good at to earn the money to pay them.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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> On Friday, January 3, 2020, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot <
> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> If I may interject .... Roll-bars !
>
> Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage /
> roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis
>  rigidity and aesthetics.
>
> Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG require=
s
> a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall ....
> so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within tha=
t
> organization. Start with Svra !
>
> Just because you own a welder - doesn=E2=80=99t make you a welder.
>
> Tony  Garmey
> Www.horizonracing.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> You can find vintage racing rules for most clubs on their website (VRG,
> SVRA, VDCA, etc).  Some club rules may vary from SCCA. like no rollbar fo=
r
> period correct classes.
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> You can download the SCCA "General Competition Rules" for free from their
> website.
> I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more
> strict.
> While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a
> few pages.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> >Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM
> >To: fot@autox.team.net
> >Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage
> >
> >So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was
> >getting a decent roll cage.  All I had was a single hoop ( too tall )
> >with some back braces.  It was an off the shelf Autopower or some such
> >brand.  FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other cars,
> >most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit.
> >
> >Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for
> >purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without
> >having to pay a full annual membership?  I'm still waffling about which
> >group would be best for me given my location in Utah.
> >
> >mjb.
> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yup.=C2=A0 Tack it together the way you want it and have a=
 certified welder do the final.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:16 PM Bill Denting=
er via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Tony=
...<div>=C2=A0</div><div>Your caveat reminds me of an issue VSCDA had=C2=A0=
in the mid-1980s. =E2=80=9CJust because you can afford a Ford GT40, does no=
t mean you can drive one.=E2=80=9D We trashed two or three of them at Road =
America at one event.=C2=A0<br><br>While I stand in awe of those able to do=
 all of their own work satisfactorily, I always tried to hire an expert to =
do mine,=C2=A0and I would do the things I was good at to earn the money to =
pay them.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill Dentinger=C2=A0<br><div id=3D"gmail=
-m_6313133238668531138__aol_mail_signature__"><div style=3D"font-family:Hel=
veticaNeue-Light;color:rgb(148,148,148);font-size:11px">Sent from AOL Mobil=
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<br><div>
    On=C2=A0Friday, January 3, 2020,=C2=A0Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot=C2=
=A0&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.te=
am.net</a>&gt;=C2=A0wrote:
</div><br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 9px;padding:0px 0px 0px 9px"><div i=
d=3D"gmail-m_6313133238668531138yiv3667755584"><div>
If I may interject .... Roll-bars !
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Leave this job to a professional. A correctly designed and built cage =
/ roll bar will pay dividends down the road not only in safety but chassis =
=C2=A0rigidity and aesthetics.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Every Racing organization has there own guidelines/ rules ie CSRG requ=
ires a maximum of 6 points and absolutely nothing forward of the firewall .=
... so read your local rules and consult with the technical people within t=
hat organization. Start with Svra
 !=C2=A0</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Just because you own a welder - doesn=E2=80=99t make you a welder.</di=
v>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Tony =C2=A0Garmey</div>
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m" target=3D"_blank">Www.horizonracing.com</a></div>
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_6313133238668531138yiv3667755584AppleMailSignature">Sent=
 from my iPhone</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_6313133238668531138yiv3667755584yqt53566"><div><br clear=
=3D"none">
On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:21 AM, John Styduhar via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" s=
hape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:small">You can find vintage racing rules for most c=
lubs on their website (VRG, SVRA, VDCA, etc).=C2=A0 Some club rules may var=
y from SCCA. like no rollbar for period correct classes.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:12 AM Mike Jackson via Fot &lt;<a=
 rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
You can download the SCCA &quot;General Competition Rules&quot; for free fr=
om their website.<br clear=3D"none">
I simply can not imagine any organization having roll cage rules any more s=
trict.<br clear=3D"none">
While the entire GCR is simply huge, the section on roll cages is but a few=
 pages.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;Sent: Jan 3, 2020 9:06 AM<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;To: <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">
&gt;Subject: Re: [Fot] Roll cage<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;So one of my top priorities back when I was actively racing Killer was =
<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;getting a decent roll cage.=C2=A0 All I had was a single hoop ( too tal=
l ) <br clear=3D"none">
&gt;with some back braces.=C2=A0 It was an off the shelf Autopower or some =
such <br clear=3D"none">
&gt;brand.=C2=A0 FIne for autocrossing, but worried me on track with other =
cars, <br clear=3D"none">
&gt;most of which were about twice the weight of the little Spit.<br clear=
=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;Are there some rule books with current roll cage specs available for <b=
r clear=3D"none">
&gt;purchase from various sanctioning groups which I could buy without <br =
clear=3D"none">
&gt;having to pay a full annual membership?=C2=A0 I&#39;m still waffling ab=
out which <br clear=3D"none">
&gt;group would be best for me given my location in Utah.<br clear=3D"none"=
>
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;mjb.<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
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