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To: Amici Triumphi <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:31:15 +0000
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Hi all,

I've been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  I=
t's 14 feet of "garage" space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (t=
oilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, i=
t weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds =
of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of t=
he truck, but not too bad.

I've been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing c=
apacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft l=
b torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.=
  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  General=
ly speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it's windy the t=
railer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the tr=
uck's automatic trailer sway alarm (it's a big baby...).

So I've been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty w=
ould make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is=
 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.=
  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors =
that would make it that much better than an F-150?

The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street=
 car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) - and it's what I drive al=
l winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and =
will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-=
150 is pretty close to paid off and I'd be taking on another boatload of de=
bt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performanc=
e improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move.

What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?

Scott (B.)

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I&#8217;ve been towing a 24-foot=
 toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.&nbsp; It&#8217;s 14 feet of =
&#8220;garage&#8221; space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toil=
et,
 shower, fridge, kitchen area).&nbsp; All in, full of water, car loaded, it=
 weighs about 9,500 lbs.&nbsp; I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pou=
nds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit =
of the truck, but not too bad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I&#8217;ve been towing with a 20=
17 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lb=
s. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.
 &nbsp;I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut. &nb=
sp;And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load. &nbsp;G=
enerally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.&nbsp; But when it&#8=
217;s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging
 enough sometimes to set off the truck&#8217;s automatic trailer sway alarm=
 (it&#8217;s a big baby&#8230;).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">So I&#8217;ve been trying to det=
ermine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable d=
ifference in the towing performance.&nbsp; An F-250 is 1000-1500
 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.&nbsp; Is =
that enough to make a noticeable difference?&nbsp; Are there other factors =
that would make it that much better than an F-150?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The F-150 with the twin turbo V6=
 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (a=
bout 19 average) &#8211; and it&#8217;s what I drive all winter.&nbsp;
 The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a =
less friendly daily driver (I assume).&nbsp; Not to mention that my F-150 i=
s pretty close to paid off and I&#8217;d be taking on another boatload of d=
ebt to move up to the F-250.&nbsp; Which is all
 to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerab=
le before I would make the move.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">What say you, towing brain trust=
?&nbsp; Is it worth the move?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ce=
ntury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Scott (B.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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