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To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr@mccarty-law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
From: Bob Kramer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 12:40:04 -0500
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I have always run GMC 2500HD pickups until my recent F250 purchase. I have
had no issues towing with the last 2 trucks.  Both were sold with about
180,000 miles on the clock and they were on the original brakes. I don't
tow this way alot but I have a 28" box and I have loaded and carried 2
TR's. That puts it over 10,000 lbs, plus I carry a full pickup truck bed.
I have been wondering if I could downsize to one of the newer 1/2 max tow
trucks that are promoted to handle the weight.

I like the 3/4 ton trucks but gas mileage for the rest of the miles I drive
is a big trade off.

Bob Kramer


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 12:32 PM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few yea=
rs now.
> It=E2=80=99s 14 feet of =E2=80=9Cgarage=E2=80=9D space in the back and 10=
 feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loade=
d,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 poun=
ds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package puttin=
g towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 f=
t
> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it=E2=
=80=99s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to s=
et
> off the truck=E2=80=99s automatic trailer sway alarm (it=E2=80=99s a big =
baby=E2=80=A6).
>
>
>
> So I=E2=80=99ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 su=
per duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
>
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) =E2=80=93 and it=
=E2=80=99s what I
> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I=E2=80=99d be taki=
ng on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say th=
at
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
>
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have always run GMC 2500HD pickups until my recent F250 =
purchase. I have had no issues towing with the last 2 trucks.=C2=A0 Both we=
re sold with about 180,000 miles on the clock and they were on the original=
 brakes. I don&#39;t tow this way alot but I have a 28&quot; box and I have=
 loaded and carried 2 TR&#39;s. That puts it over 10,000 lbs, plus I carry =
a full pickup truck bed.=C2=A0 I have been wondering if I could downsize to=
 one of the newer 1/2 max tow trucks that are promoted to handle the weight=
.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I like the 3/4 ton trucks but gas mileage for th=
e rest of the miles I drive is a big trade off.</div><div><br clear=3D"all"=
><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_si=
gnature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep=
 23, 2020 at 12:32 PM Barr, Scott via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_8737150516282767467WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I=E2=80=99ve been towing a 24-foot=
 toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s 14 feet o=
f =E2=80=9Cgarage=E2=80=9D space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front=
 (toilet,
 shower, fridge, kitchen area).=C2=A0 All in, full of water, car loaded, it=
 weighs about 9,500 lbs.=C2=A0 I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pou=
nds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit =
of the truck, but not too bad.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I=E2=80=99ve been towing with a 20=
17 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lb=
s. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.
 =C2=A0I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.=C2=
=A0 And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.=C2=A0 =
Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.=C2=A0 But when it=
=E2=80=99s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging
 enough sometimes to set off the truck=E2=80=99s automatic trailer sway ala=
rm (it=E2=80=99s a big baby=E2=80=A6).
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">So I=E2=80=99ve been trying to det=
ermine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable d=
ifference in the towing performance.=C2=A0 An F-250 is 1000-1500
 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.=C2=A0 Is =
that enough to make a noticeable difference?=C2=A0 Are there other factors =
that would make it that much better than an F-150?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 a=
nd 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (abo=
ut 19 average) =E2=80=93 and it=E2=80=99s what I drive all winter.=C2=A0
 The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a =
less friendly daily driver (I assume).=C2=A0 Not to mention that my F-150 i=
s pretty close to paid off and I=E2=80=99d be taking on another boatload of=
 debt to move up to the F-250.=C2=A0 Which is all
 to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerab=
le before I would make the move.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">What say you, towing brain trust?=
=C2=A0 Is it worth the move?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cent=
ury Gothic&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Scott (B.)<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
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