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I made a lapping tool out of a liner as well.Cut the cylinder & base off a=
nd welded a bridge piece across it with a big nut in the center to get a sp=
eed handle & socket on.Good old copper-coat to seal.Never any concerns at a=
ll w/figure-8s, just need good mating surfaces, correct liner height, and p=
roper torque.
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I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface.=C2=
=A0 Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image of=
the surface condition.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I used the red, High-Tack spray-on se=
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R engine build, which is now apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and=
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ack up and set them in place.=C2=A0 I haven't pulled the liners.=C2=A0 I th=
ought I'd just replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank a=
nd refresh the valves and seats and put it back together. I think Marcel =
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So, most products won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket maker=
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Don=E2=80=99t know if it=E2=80=99s my trick or if everyone does it but...=
=C2=A0 Once I=E2=80=99ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, =
I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some val=
ve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean =
it up good and then use your sealant of choice. Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=
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servations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am buildi=
ng has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bol=
ts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Da=
mper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an =
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remove prior imperfections. =C2=A0The head chambers have been mildly worke=
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opper gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D compression rings on the =
head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each =
side. =C2=A0Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allo=
wed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. =C2=A0Am aiming at =
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<div> <font size=3D"2">I made a lapping tool out of a liner as well.</font>=
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<div><font size=3D"2">Cut the cylinder & base off and welded a bridge p=
iece across it with a big nut in the center to get a speed handle & soc=
ket on.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Good old copper-coat to seal.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Never any concerns at all w/figure-8s, just need good=
mating surfaces, correct liner height, and proper torque.</font></div>
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From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot@au=
tox.team.net>; Greg Hilyer <lunkercars@yahoo.com><br>
Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 12:06 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets<br>
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<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I like the method =
of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface. Although a light =
amount would be nice just to get a good clear image of the surface conditio=
n. </span>
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<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I used the red, Hi=
gh-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I put together my first =
and last and only TR engine build, which is now apart for a refresh after 1=
9 race weekends and a total of 5,500 miles. I sprayed both sides of t=
he gasket, let it tack up and set them in place. I haven't pulled the=
liners. I thought I'd just replace the rings and bearings, check and=
polish the crank and refresh the valves and seats and put it back together=
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made a good point that it's possible no sealant is necessary if all condit=
ions are otherwise excellent. The sealant is just added insurance.</s=
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It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gasket=
s, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any ha=
rm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, for=
ming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, =
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Once I=E2=80=99ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I u=
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lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it =
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observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am buil=
ding has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / b=
olts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super =
Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, a=
n HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy=
back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru M=
ang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 d=
uration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up a=
nd remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly wor=
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volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022=
copper gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D compression rings on th=
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h side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has al=
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