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Re: [Fot] info needed re Southwick Moser axles

To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>, Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>, DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] info needed re Southwick Moser axles
From: Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 03:46:01 +0000 (UTC)
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 There is a thread from 2020 about the bearings. =C2=A0Here is what I had p=
osted back then;"The Moser package that I have, which came with 2 bearings =
and 2 press on retainers is part number MSR-9507F.=C2=A0 The bearing is an =
RW507E, 1.377 ID and 2.834 OD.=C2=A0 JoeB"
Here are some other posts from that thread:
The Timken number that I tried using is RW507ER.=C2=A0 Perhaps the Suffix R=
 is the radius designation.=C2=A0 In any event, it doesn't really cross wit=
h the Green bearing used for the Moser axle and I could not get a different=
 Timken bearing.=C2=A0 The inner races have a different radius on the i.d.=
=C2=A0 I alway use Timken, but not this time.=C2=A0 Southwick will also sen=
d you Green bearings.=C2=A0 Number RW507E.=C2=A0
Dave H.=C2=A0

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Phil Gott <vfracing@aol.com> wrote:
>=C2=A0
> Thanks, guys!
> The seal that failed is not the O-ring. It is the seal in the bearing its=
elf. Gear oil from the differential is slowly working its way into the bear=
ing and diluting the grease, which is getting thrown out onto the brakes.
> Much appreciate the responses. I had not heard of =E2=80=9CGreen=E2=80=9D=
 bearings as a brand before. Good to know that the chamfer radii are differ=
ent from Timken.
> In googling the part numbers it looks like Moser actually sells the beari=
ng and retainer as a set available from jEGS, Summit, etc.
> Thanks very much, everyone! And for such fast responses. What a great gro=
up!
> Phil
>=C2=A0
> Sent from my iPhone
>=C2=A0
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:54 PM, Dave <dlhogye@comcast.net> wrote:
>>=C2=A0
>> =EF=BB=BFCheck the radius of the Timken bearing closely and make sure it=
 will fit, or is larger than the radius on the axle flange before you insta=
ll it.=C2=A0 Moser axles don't come with Timken bearings.=C2=A0 They come w=
ith Green bearings.=C2=A0 The first time I used Timken, I found that the ra=
dius of the bearing interferes with the radius of the axle and keeps the be=
aring from going on as it should.=C2=A0 There was about .015" gap.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0
>> The numbers on the Green box are 9507F RW507E.=C2=A0 I asked the auto pa=
rts guy to get me the Timken cross and when installing it, noticed I could =
press it on all the way, leaving a gap to the shoulder.=C2=A0
>> Dave H.
    On Monday, January 19, 2026 at 10:28:22 PM EST, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot=
@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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    Glen,   I should have kept the FoT in the thread.=C2=A0 Important stuff=
.   I noticed this the first time I changed bearings.=C2=A0 If I remember c=
orrectly, Timken, which I prefer, had a smaller radius and it didn't seat a=
ll the way.=C2=A0 It was seating down in the radius of the bearing.=C2=A0 O=
f course I didn't think to check that radius before installing it.=C2=A0 Gr=
een and Timken obviously have a different radius.=C2=A0 I believe Southwick=
 and Moser use the Green bearings.=C2=A0 There may be different part number=
s from these companies for different dimensions for the radius.=C2=A0 I thi=
nk the basic number is 9507.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So, there might be a Timken with t=
he needed radius.=C2=A0 The Green number is 9507F or RW507E.=C2=A0=C2=A0   =
=C2=A0   Dave H.=C2=A0
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">There is a thread from 2020 =
about the bearings. &nbsp;Here is what I had posted back then;</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">"The Moser package that I have, which came =
with 2 bearings and 2 press on retainers is part number MSR-9507F.&nbsp; Th=
e bearing is an RW507E, 1.377 ID and 2.834 OD.&nbsp; JoeB"</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false=
">Here are some other posts from that thread:</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><div><div c=
lass=3D"ydp28affc3bjb_0 ydp28affc3bX_6MGW ydp28affc3bN_6Fd5" style=3D"outli=
ne-color: currentcolor !important;"><div style=3D"outline-color: currentcol=
or !important;"><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !impo=
rtant;">The Timken number that I tried using is RW507ER.&nbsp; Perhaps the =
Suffix R is the radius designation.&nbsp; In any event, it doesn't really c=
ross with the Green bearing used for the Moser axle and I could not get a d=
ifferent Timken bearing.&nbsp; The inner races have a different radius on t=
he i.d.&nbsp; I alway use Timken, but not this time.&nbsp; Southwick will a=
lso send you Green bearings.&nbsp; Number RW507E.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none" s=
tyle=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !important;">Dave H.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"=
none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !important;"><br clear=3D"none" =
style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !important;">Sent from my iPad<br clea=
r=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !important;"></div></div></=
div><div class=3D"ydp28affc3bjb_0 ydp28affc3bX_6MGW ydp28affc3bN_6Fd5" styl=
e=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !important;"><div style=3D"outline-color: =
currentcolor !important;"><div style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !import=
ant;"><div class=3D"ydp28affc3bqtd-body" style=3D"border-left-width: 1px; b=
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currentcolor !important;"><br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: curren=
tcolor !important;">&gt; On Dec 29, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Phil Gott &lt;<a shap=
e=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; style=3D"text-decoration-style:=
 solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor; outline-color: currentcolor !i=
mportant;" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">vfracing@aol.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !important;">&gt;=
&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !important;">=
&gt; Thanks, guys!<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !=
important;">&gt; The seal that failed is not the O-ring. It is the seal in =
the bearing itself. Gear oil from the differential is slowly working its wa=
y into the bearing and diluting the grease, which is getting thrown out ont=
o the brakes.<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !impor=
tant;">&gt; Much appreciate the responses. I had not heard of =E2=80=9CGree=
n=E2=80=9D bearings as a brand before. Good to know that the chamfer radii =
are different from Timken.<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: curren=
tcolor !important;">&gt; In googling the part numbers it looks like Moser a=
ctually sells the bearing and retainer as a set available from jEGS, Summit=
, etc.<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !important;">=
&gt; Thanks very much, everyone! And for such fast responses. What a great =
group!<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !important;">=
&gt; Phil<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !important=
;">&gt;&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !impor=
tant;">&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: c=
urrentcolor !important;">&gt;&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-colo=
r: currentcolor !important;">&gt;&gt; On Dec 29, 2020, at 7:54 PM, Dave &lt=
;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net"; style=3D"text-decora=
tion-style: solid; text-decoration-color: currentcolor; outline-color: curr=
entcolor !important;" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">dlhogye@comcast.ne=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !im=
portant;">&gt;&gt;&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentc=
olor !important;">&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BFCheck the radius of the Timken bearing =
closely and make sure it will fit, or is larger than the radius on the axle=
 flange before you install it.&nbsp; Moser axles don't come with Timken bea=
rings.&nbsp; They come with Green bearings.&nbsp; The first time I used Tim=
ken, I found that the radius of the bearing interferes with the radius of t=
he axle and keeps the bearing from going on as it should.&nbsp; There was a=
bout .015" gap.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: curre=
ntcolor !important;">&gt;&gt; The numbers on the Green box are 9507F RW507E=
.&nbsp; I asked the auto parts guy to get me the Timken cross and when inst=
alling it, noticed I could press it on all the way, leaving a gap to the sh=
oulder.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none" style=3D"outline-color: currentcolor !impor=
tant;">&gt;&gt; Dave H.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br><=
/div>
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                        On Monday, January 19, 2026 at 10:28:22 PM EST, DAV=
E HOGYE via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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or:#333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">Glen,</span>
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or:#333333;" class=3D"ydp18209e53yiv2001255019default-style">
   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I should have kept=
 the FoT in the thread.&nbsp; Important stuff.</span>
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or:#333333;" class=3D"ydp18209e53yiv2001255019default-style">
   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I noticed this the=
 first time I changed bearings.&nbsp; If I remember correctly, Timken, whic=
h I prefer, had a smaller radius and it didn't seat all the way.&nbsp; It w=
as seating down in the radius of the bearing.&nbsp; Of course I didn't thin=
k to check that radius before installing it.&nbsp; Green and Timken obvious=
ly have a different radius.&nbsp; I believe Southwick and Moser use the Gre=
en bearings.&nbsp; There may be different part numbers from these companies=
 for different dimensions for the radius.&nbsp; I think the basic number is=
 9507.&nbsp; &nbsp;So, there might be a Timken with the needed radius.&nbsp=
; The Green number is 9507F or RW507E.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
  </div>=20
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or:#333333;" class=3D"ydp18209e53yiv2001255019default-style">
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ca Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-=
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