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Re: [Healeys] Senate Votes To Privatize Its Failing Restaurants

To: "David Leong" <david@dleong.org>,"Austin Healey list"
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Senate Votes To Privatize Its Failing Restaurants
From: <tomfelts@windstream.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:07:08 -0400
What does getting off the Healey topic have to do with being "old, and "white". 
 Why not just acknowledge your prejudice and move on---I, for one, would have 
more respect if you did.  Usually people say exactly what they feel inside, and 
to try to downplay it only makes it worse.

My 2c's
tom 
> 
> From: "David Leong" <david@dleong.org>
> Date: 2008/06/10 Tue PM 09:45:12 EDT
> To: "Austin Healey list" <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Senate Votes To Privatize Its Failing Restaurants
> 
> I don't really want to get in a long debate about this, but I guess I should
> expect that with statements like I made.
> 
> Most of you are missing the point, however.
> 
> I placed no value judgment on old, white, man, or even conservative.
> Conservative, to many, is an attribute to be proud of, and I don't see where
> I said it was uncool. (I won't deny implying it, but you drew your own
> judgment)
> 
> All I was saying, is after a long discussion on wondering why it is
> difficult to attract a younger crowd, or next generation, I merely pointed
> out that if you spend a lot of bandwidth emphasizing characteristics that
> would tend to distance yourselves from the succeeding generation, (getting
> off topic to rant and espouse political views) instead of emphasizing the
> qualities that bring us together, (the love of neat cars), you should not be
> surprised if it is difficult to get younger people to join your social
> circle.
> 
> 
> 
> Dave 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Seigrist [mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:10 PM
> To: David Leong
> Cc: Austin Healey list
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Senate Votes To Privatize Its Failing Restaurants
> 
> David -
> 
> "a bunch of old white men"
> 
>      1) I am not white, and I do not appreciate being characterised by
> my race.  I am an American, period.  I have dealt with enough racism
> in my life to have no patience for it.
>      2) I am not old (42) and bought my first healey when I was 20 years
> old.
> 
> "with conservative views"
> 
>      So what?  Does this make me uncool?  If so, I gladly take the label.
> 
> Alan
> 
> '52 A90
> '53 BN1
> '64 BJ8
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:50 AM, David Leong <david@dleong.org> wrote:
> > Please forgive me in advance if I am speaking out of turn. I am only a
> > former owner, and just a lurker on this list.
> >
> > One observation is that if the club is dominated by a bunch of old white
> > men, with conservative views, that would probably be one limiting factor
> in
> > attracting a younger crowd to these cars or at least the club.
> >
> > Just my $.02. Carry on.....................
> >
> > Dave
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