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Re: [Healeys] Silicone DOT5 brakefluid for the 100

To: Rich C <richchrysler@quickclic.net>, Oudesluys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Silicone DOT5 brakefluid for the 100
From: Tom Felts <tomfelts@windstream.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:57:32 -0600
Rich--I'd say there is a big difference in dumping DOT 3 fluid into the 
silicone system than what little DOT 3/4 is left after draining  and then 
adding silicone.  Thus the comparison is not credible--IMO anyway.

---- Rich C <richchrysler@quickclic.net> wrote: 

=============
We're really flogging this one again.
However I will state that we always completely rebuild all brake components, 
cylinders, hoses, everything, flush and blow out the old lines to introduce 
DOT 5 Silicone fluid to any system we work on. One particularly noteworthy 
occurrence took place about a year after we did a complete job.
It was on a Mk 1 Sprite and the owner had taken the car to a local garage 
for a regular service. Some young employee in the shop had topped up all 
fluids, including the hydraulic reservoir. He'd use DOT 3 fluid for the top 
up. Within 2 weeks the owner was experiencing poor clutch pedal, sluggish 
return and slight leakage at the clutch slave cylinder.
We found the problem, completely flushed everything again with silicone 
fluid, rebuilt the slave and it's been all right now for the last 5 years.

Rich Chrysler

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Felts" <tomfelts@windstream.net>
To: "Oudesluys" <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Cc: <healeys@autox.team.net>; "Thomas Willig" <twillig@ruda.de>
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Silicone DOT5 brakefluid for the 100


> Could someone tell me the chemical products that are made by mixing the 
> two that supposedly reacts with the rubber seals?  To me it either reacts 
> or it doesn't, and it did not with mine.  Now--if it takes 10 years, I 
> still have a couple to go. Maybe I haven't waited long enough.
>
> tom
>
> ---- Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl> wrote:
>
> =============
> Tom,
> You should never fill up with DOT5 if you previously used DOT3 or 4. You
> run the very serious risk that the seals will perish and the system will
> leak like a sieve. Thus you have to replace all the seals and hoses (and
> clean out the rest of the system of course). This goes for any car.
> You may have been extremely lucky.
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
> Tom Felts schreef:
>> ???????   Why is this true for the 100 and not other versions?  What is 
>> different about the rubber components in the 100?  I put DOT 5 in my BJ8 
>> and E-Type years ago and did nothing beforehand with the components.  Not 
>> a leak or brake problem since.
>>
>> tom
>>
>> ---- Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> Replace all rubber parts. Effectively rebuilt all your wheel cilinders,
>> callipers, master brake cilinder using new seals and renew/replace the
>> rubber brake hoses, preferrably with Teflon SS braiding items from eg
>> Goodridge.
>> Kees Oudesluijs
>> NL
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