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Re: [Healeys] Hyphened badge

To: Ge <gaagten@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Hyphened badge
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 20:44:31 -0500
Cc: AH Mail List <healeys@autox.team.net>
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I think we have established that there was probably no consistent change
point from hyphenated to non-hyphenated which seems to support the idea
that after the decision to change was made the stock of hyphenated badges
was nevertheless used until exhausted.

However my original question was not "when" but rather "why" the switch was
made.  There must have been a reason for making an affirmative decision to
do something and I am genuinely surprised that the reason has never been
made known,

Any thoughts here?

Best--Michael Oritt

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Ge <gaagten@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> 1964 BJ8 MK3 Phase 2
>
> Just checked it.
>
> Result: no hyphen
>
> It is an original dutch car imported by  Stokvis in Rotterdam
>
> Regards.
>
> Ge Aagten
>
> The Netherlands
>
>
>
> *Van:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *Namens *Jean Caron
> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 30 januari 2015 7:13
> *Aan:* AH Mail List
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Healeys] Hyphened badge
>
>
>
> Restoring a 1966 BJ8, no hyphen and the badge on a 1967 I did a few years
> ago, no hyphen either.
>
> Jean
>
> > From: thehartnetts@earthlink.net
> > To: healeys@autox.team.net
> > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:58:55 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Hyphened badge
> >
> >
> > No hyphen!
> >
> > (The Other) Len
> > Fairfield, CA, USA
> > 1967 AH 3000 MkIII, HBJ8L39031
> > (199,771 miles)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Per Schoerner" <per@schoerner.se>
> > To: <josef-eckert@t-online.de>; "Healeys, Forum" <Healeys@autox.team.net
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Hyphened badge
> >
> >
> > > Hi
> > > OK, so my nice badge on the shelf would be wrong for my car then,
> because
> > > I have a MkII BT7.
> > > Let's see if there is anyone with an unhyphened original badge on a
> BT7,
> > > as well as anyone that have a hyphened badge on a BJ8 or BJ7. Please
> speak
> > > up if you feel that your car fits in here.
> > >
> > > Best regards, Per
> > >
> > > josef-eckert@t-online.de skrev den 2015-01-29 22:07:
> > >> Hi Per,
> > >> I know the hyphen was lost during BJ7 production. But can`t tell you
> the
> > >> reason why.
> > >> My 62 BT7 still has the hyphen in the original badge.
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Josef Eckert
> > >> Konigswinter/Germany
> > >>
> > >> -----Original-Nachricht-----
> > >> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Hyphened badge
> > >> Datum: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:38:58 +0100
> > >> Von: Per Schoerner <per@schoerner.se>
> > >> An: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >> HI
> > >> Well, I think I have seen both MkIIs and MkIIIs with and without
> hyphen,
> > >> so I'm as curious as anyone to be enlightened as to when the
> switchover
> > >> was made.
> > >> I remember someone made a poll a couple of years ago, everyone was to
> > >> reply if they had a hyphened or unhyphened badge. Does anyone know
> what
> > >> came out of this investigation?
> > >>
> > >> Best regards, Per
> > >>
> > >> Michael Oritt skrev den 2015-01-29 20:29:
> > >>> Per--
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for your reply but I don't think that is it. Certainly at one
> > >>> point A-H was correct and somewhere along the way it changed so that
> all
> > >>> later cars lost the hyphen. I simply wonder why and am quite
> surprised
> > >>> that there is not a known explanation.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best--Michael Oritt
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Per Schoerner <per@schoerner.se
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi
> > >>> I have always thought that the unhyphened badges of, at least,
> > >>> MkIIs
> > >>> and MkIIIs, have been aftermarket , but maybe I'm mistaken. I have
> > >>> a
> > >>> worned out original badge on my MkII, with a hyphen, and a brand
> > >>> new
> > >>> unhyphened badge on the shelf. I hesitate to replace it, for
> > >>> origanality sakes. I'm not a 100 percent for originality, I have
> > >>> several things on my car that is not original, but I'm serious when
> > >>> it comes to badges.
> > >>>
> > >>> Per
> > >>>
> > >>> Michael Oritt skrev den 2015-01-29 02:42:
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW, I still have never heard a credible explanation as to why
> > >>> the nose
> > >>> badges changed from "Austin-Healey" to "Austin Healey" without
> > >>> the
> > >>> hyphen. Someone once posited that a supplier furnished
> > >>> incorrect
> > >>> badges
> > >>> that were bought at a discount and the rest was history but
> > >>> that
> > >>> does
> > >>> not seem likley to me.
> > >>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I thi=
nk we have established that there was probably no consistent change point f=
rom hyphenated to non-hyphenated which seems to support the idea that after=
 the decision to change was made the stock of hyphenated badges was neverth=
eless used until exhausted.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"colo=
r:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">H=
owever my original question was not &quot;when&quot; but rather &quot;why&q=
uot; the switch was made.=C2=A0 There must have been a reason for making an=
 affirmative decision to do something and I am genuinely surprised that the=
 reason has never been made known,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3=
333ff">Any thoughts here?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:=
#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Bes=
t--Michael Oritt</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Ge <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:gaagten@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">gaagten@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"bl=
ue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#1f497d">Hi list,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">1964 BJ8 MK3 Phase 2<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">J=
ust checked it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Result: no hyphen<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">It is an or=
iginal dutch car imported by =C2=A0Stokvis in Rotterdam<u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Regar=
ds.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1f497d">Ge Aagten<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The Netherlands<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid=
 #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;">Van:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahom=
a&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-=
bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a=
>] <b>Namens </b>Jean Caron<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 30 januari 2015 7:=
13<br><b>Aan:</b> AH Mail List<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Healeys] Hyphened =
badge<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;">Restoring a 1966 BJ8, no hyphen and the badge on a 1967 =
I did a few years ago, no hyphen either.<br><br>Jean <u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:thehartnetts@earthl=
ink.net" target=3D"_blank">thehartnetts@earthlink.net</a><br>&gt; To: <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.n=
et</a><br>&gt; Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:58:55 -0800<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [=
Healeys] Hyphened badge<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; No hyphen!<br>&gt; <br>&g=
t; (The Other) Len<br>&gt; Fairfield, CA, USA<br>&gt; 1967 AH 3000 MkIII, H=
BJ8L39031<br>&gt; (199,771 miles)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; ----- Original =
Message ----- <br>&gt; From: &quot;Per Schoerner&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:per@schoerner.se" target=3D"_blank">per@schoerner.se</a>&gt;<br>&gt; To: =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de"; target=3D"_blank">josef-eck=
ert@t-online.de</a>&gt;; &quot;Healeys, Forum&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:H=
ealeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>=
&gt; Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:27 PM<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys=
] Hyphened badge<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Hi<br>&gt; &gt; OK, so my n=
ice badge on the shelf would be wrong for my car then, because <br>&gt; &gt=
; I have a MkII BT7.<br>&gt; &gt; Let&#39;s see if there is anyone with an =
unhyphened original badge on a BT7, <br>&gt; &gt; as well as anyone that ha=
ve a hyphened badge on a BJ8 or BJ7. Please speak <br>&gt; &gt; up if you f=
eel that your car fits in here.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Best regards, Per=
<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">josef-eckert@t-online.de</a> skrev den 2015-01-29 22:07:<br>&=
gt; &gt;&gt; Hi Per,<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; I know the hyphen was lost during BJ7=
 production. But can`t tell you the <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; reason why.<br>&gt; &=
gt;&gt; My 62 BT7 still has the hyphen in the original badge.<br>&gt; &gt;&=
gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Josef Eckert<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 Konigswinter/Germany<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; -----Original-Nachr=
icht-----<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Hyphened badge<br>&gt; &g=
t;&gt; Datum: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:38:58 +0100<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Von: Per Sch=
oerner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:per@schoerner.se"; target=3D"_blank">per@schoer=
ner.se</a>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; An: Michael Oritt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mic=
hael.oritt@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>=
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; HI<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, I think I have see=
n both MkIIs and MkIIIs with and without hyphen,<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; so I&#39;=
m as curious as anyone to be enlightened as to when the switchover<br>&gt; =
&gt;&gt; was made.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; I remember someone made a poll a couple=
 of years ago, everyone was to<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; reply if they had a hyphene=
d or unhyphened badge. Does anyone know what<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; came out of t=
his investigation?<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Best regards, Per<br>&=
gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Michael Oritt skrev den 2015-01-29 20:29:<br>=
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Per--<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks fo=
r your reply but I don&#39;t think that is it. Certainly at one<br>&gt; &gt=
;&gt;&gt; point A-H was correct and somewhere along the way it changed so t=
hat all<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; later cars lost the hyphen. I simply wonder wh=
y and am quite surprised<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; that there is not a known exp=
lanation.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Best--Michael Oritt<br>=
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Per=
 Schoerner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:per@schoerner.se%0b"; target=3D"_blank">per=
@schoerner.se<br></a>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:per@schoerner.=
se" target=3D"_blank">mailto:per@schoerner.se</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &g=
t;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Hi<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I have always thoug=
ht that the unhyphened badges of, at least, <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; MkIIs<br>=
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; and MkIIIs, have been aftermarket , but maybe I&#39;m mis=
taken. I have <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; a<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; worned out origi=
nal badge on my MkII, with a hyphen, and a brand <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; new<=
br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; unhyphened badge on the shelf. I hesitate to replace i=
t, for<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; origanality sakes. I&#39;m not a 100 percent fo=
r originality, I have<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; several things on my car that is=
 not original, but I&#39;m serious when<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; it comes to ba=
dges.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Per<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br=
>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Michael Oritt skrev den 2015-01-29 02:42:<br>&gt; &gt;&g=
t;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; BTW, I still have never heard a credible explan=
ation as to why<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the nose<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; badges c=
hanged from &quot;Austin-Healey&quot; to &quot;Austin Healey&quot; without =
<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; hyphen. Someone once posited=
 that a supplier furnished <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; incorrect<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;=
&gt; badges<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; that were bought at a discount and the res=
t was history but <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; that<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; does<br>&=
gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; not seem likley to me.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&g=
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