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Re: [Healeys] Re-assembly time frame

To: Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Re-assembly time frame
From: Derek Job <derek.c.job@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 12:55:45 +0100
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They did not use 'nuts and bolts' on the fenders, they used clips that the
bolt screws into. AH Spares sells complete fastening packages for
installation of the wings.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> I think that most of the fasteners used to attach the fenders are bolts
> and clips.  The clips are installed on the top lip of the fenders.  I
> thought the bolts had a square thread, but the factory parts manual calls
> them spire bolts, so may-be not. Normal" nut and bolts are found along the
> bottom of the dog legs.  See Moss p/n 321-868 and 321-818.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> AHCA 3000 Mk I registrar
> http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php
>
> On 06/17/2015 10:56 PM, Chris Scholz wrote:
>
>> Good points. I am having rotator surgery on my right arm so I will be
>> giving up many duties and having the restoration company finish them for
>> me since I'll be immobilized for 6 wks, then PT.
>>
>> One item--- instead of using the nuts and bolts to re-hang the fenders,
>> one of the mechanics is using clips so he wont have to fumble with
>> trying to get the nut on the bolt. Not sure if this is any big deal, but
>> not the way it was done at the factory. I remembered disassembly, how
>> much of a pain it was to get two wrenches on each attachment.
>>
>> Some days I feel the reassembly is going so slow, I forget how tough of
>> a job it is. On the other hand, I don't want to pay for time wasted
>> since this is their first Healey. They have done thousands of
>> restorations, and each car is unique.
>>
>> I'm going there tomorrow to have them estimate the labor needed to
>> finish the project and hope to be at the finish line soon!!
>>
>>
>> image1.jpeg
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Chris Scholz OD
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2015, at 9:18 PM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com
>>
>>  Hi Chris,
>>> At least this is the fun bit BUT I would absolutely have to agree with
>>> David.
>>> If it was an original car, and all the parts were properly restored
>>> and sorted I would budget 40 hours..
>>> Add to that any time to clean up threads, find missing parts, clean
>>> and paint all those little (and larger) bits, repair all the damaged
>>> harness connectors, research where things fit (particularly if you
>>> haven't assembled one before or even recently), endlessly sort through
>>> fasteners to find one more "correct" hex bolt or narrow section lock
>>> washer, etc, etc.
>>> Remember that car is at least 56 years old and many many parts of it
>>> will require work before they can be reused.
>>> I have over 200 hours of body shell reassembly on #174 after paint not
>>> including mechanical, interior or top.
>>> You can do it quick or you can do it right but not both.
>>> Michael S
>>> BN1 #174
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:50 PM, David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com
>>>
>>>     2-3 days not a chance. To strip the car to a bare chassis about 40
>>>     hours.  I would a lot at least 100 hours to do what you are
>>>     asking. As long as everything is ready to install. And that would
>>>     probably concervitave
>>>
>>>
>>>     David Nock
>>>
>>>     British Car Specialists
>>>
>>>     Stockton Ca 95205
>>>
>>>     209-948-8767 <tel:209-948-8767>
>>>
>>>
>>>     www.britishcarspecialists.com <http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>     Please feel free to view an interview with the Nock's in 2009
>>>
>>>     Enjoy
>>>
>>>     www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOTTRYkbQzs
>>>     <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOTTRYkbQzs>
>>>
>>>     .
>>>
>>>     .
>>>
>>>
>>>     Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>     On Jun 14, 2015, at 11:15 PM, Derek Job <derek.c.job@gmail.com
>>>
>>>      How long is a piece of string? Very difficult to put a time on
>>>>     all that. It can take an age to line up all the panels correctly
>>>>     and hang the doors so the latches work perfectly. Are they all
>>>>     the same panel parts that came off the car? Windshield, lights,
>>>>     grill and bumpers are all simple and you can do those yourself.
>>>>
>>>>     Derek
>>>>
>>>>     On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:42 AM, I Erbs <eyera3@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>         The biggest issue is that shit don't go back in reverse
>>>>         order, no matter what the manual says.  Seriously,  the
>>>>         issues of time resolve around the stuff you discovery that
>>>>         need to be fixed, or having a third hand handy when need it.
>>>>         I think 2-3 days is very hopeful.
>>>>
>>>>         Mr. Ira Erbs
>>>>
>>>>         On Jun 14, 2015 7:57 PM, "Chris Scholz"
>>>>         <drscholz@visioncenterpc.com
>>>>
>>>>             For those who have done a complete nut and bolt
>>>>             restoration, how many hours do you budget for an
>>>>             experienced mechanic to reassemble the exterior of a
>>>>             100-6?  I'm mainly talking body panels, doors, trunk,
>>>>             bonnet, windshield, trim, lights, grill, bumpers. Not
>>>>             concerned with wiring, drivetrain, or interior at this
>>>>             stage. Just exterior.
>>>>
>>>>             I was budgeting 2-3 days based on other's conversations,
>>>>             but I may be way off.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Sent from my iPhone
>>>>             Chris Scholz
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<div dir=3D"ltr">They did not use &#39;nuts and bolts&#39; on the fenders, =
they used clips that the bolt screws into. AH Spares sells complete fasteni=
ng packages for installation of the wings.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Bob Haskel=
l <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">rchaskell@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">Chris,<br>
<br>
I think that most of the fasteners used to attach the fenders are bolts and=
 clips.=C2=A0 The clips are installed on the top lip of the fenders.=C2=A0 =
I thought the bolts had a square thread, but the factory parts manual calls=
 them spire bolts, so may-be not. Normal&quot; nut and bolts are found alon=
g the bottom of the dog legs.=C2=A0 See Moss p/n 321-868 and 321-818.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bob Haskell<br>
AHCA 3000 Mk I registrar<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php"; rel=3D"noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php</a><br>
<br>
On 06/17/2015 10:56 PM, Chris Scholz wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Good points. I am having rotator surgery on my right arm so I will be<br>
giving up many duties and having the restoration company finish them for<br=
>
me since I&#39;ll be immobilized for 6 wks, then PT.<br>
<br>
One item--- instead of using the nuts and bolts to re-hang the fenders,<br>
one of the mechanics is using clips so he wont have to fumble with<br>
trying to get the nut on the bolt. Not sure if this is any big deal, but<br=
>
not the way it was done at the factory. I remembered disassembly, how<br>
much of a pain it was to get two wrenches on each attachment.<br>
<br>
Some days I feel the reassembly is going so slow, I forget how tough of<br>
a job it is. On the other hand, I don&#39;t want to pay for time wasted<br>
since this is their first Healey. They have done thousands of<br>
restorations, and each car is unique.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m going there tomorrow to have them estimate the labor needed to<br>
finish the project and hope to be at the finish line soon!!<br>
<br>
<br>
image1.jpeg<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
Chris Scholz OD<br>
<br>
On Jun 17, 2015, at 9:18 PM, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsa=
lter@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">mic=
haelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Chris,<br>
At least this is the fun bit BUT I would absolutely have to agree with<br>
David.<br>
If it was an original car, and all the parts were properly restored<br>
and sorted I would budget 40 hours..<br>
Add to that any time to clean up threads, find missing parts, clean<br>
and paint all those little (and larger) bits, repair all the damaged<br>
harness connectors, research where things fit (particularly if you<br>
haven&#39;t assembled one before or even recently), endlessly sort through<=
br>
fasteners to find one more &quot;correct&quot; hex bolt or narrow section l=
ock<br>
washer, etc, etc.<br>
Remember that car is at least 56 years old and many many parts of it<br>
will require work before they can be reused.<br>
I have over 200 hours of body shell reassembly on #174 after paint not<br>
including mechanical, interior or top.<br>
You can do it quick or you can do it right but not both.<br>
Michael S<br>
BN1 #174<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:50 PM, David Nock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@gmail.com</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">healeyd=
oc@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2-3 days not a chance. To strip the car to a bare chassis abo=
ut 40<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 hours.=C2=A0 I would a lot at least 100 hours to do what you =
are<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 asking. As long as everything is ready to install. And that w=
ould<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 probably concervitave<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 David Nock<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 British Car Specialists<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stockton Ca 95205<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"tel:209-948-8767" value=3D"+12099488767" target=3D=
"_blank">209-948-8767</a> &lt;tel:<a href=3D"tel:209-948-8767" value=3D"+12=
099488767" target=3D"_blank">209-948-8767</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com"; rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a> &lt;<a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.britishcarspecialists.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please feel free to view an interview with the Nock&#39;s in =
2009<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Enjoy<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQOTTRYkbQzs"; rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQOTTRYkbQzs</a>=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQOTTRYkbQzs"; =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQOTTR=
YkbQzs</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 .<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 .<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sent from my iPad<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Jun 14, 2015, at 11:15 PM, Derek Job &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:derek.c.job@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">derek.c.job@gmail.com</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:derek.c.job@gmail.com"; target=3D=
"_blank">derek.c.job@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 How long is a piece of string? Very difficult to put a time o=
n<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 all that. It can take an age to line up all the panels correc=
tly<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and hang the doors so the latches work perfectly. Are they al=
l<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the same panel parts that came off the car? Windshield, light=
s,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 grill and bumpers are all simple and you can do those yoursel=
f.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Derek<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 4:42 AM, I Erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:eyera3@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyera3@gmail.com</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:eyera3@gmail.com"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">eyera3@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The biggest issue is that shit don&#39;t go bac=
k in reverse<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 order, no matter what the manual says.=C2=A0 Se=
riously,=C2=A0 the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 issues of time resolve around the stuff you dis=
covery that<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 need to be fixed, or having a third hand handy =
when need it.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think 2-3 days is very hopeful.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Jun 14, 2015 7:57 PM, &quot;Chris Scholz&quo=
t;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:drscholz@visioncenterpc.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">drscholz@visioncenterpc.com</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:drscholz@visioncen=
terpc.com" target=3D"_blank">drscholz@visioncenterpc.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:=
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For those who have done a complet=
e nut and bolt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 restoration, how many hours do yo=
u budget for an<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 experienced mechanic to reassembl=
e the exterior of a<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 100-6?=C2=A0 I&#39;m mainly talki=
ng body panels, doors, trunk,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 bonnet, windshield, trim, lights,=
 grill, bumpers. Not<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 concerned with wiring, drivetrain=
, or interior at this<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 stage. Just exterior.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I was budgeting 2-3 days based on=
 other&#39;s conversations,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 but I may be way off.=C2=A0 Thank=
s.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sent from my iPhone<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chris Scholz<br>
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