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Opps: Spokes for Healey original style 48 spoke wheels.=20
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From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hap =
Polk
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:07 PM
To: 'Bob Spidell' <bspidell@comcast.net>
Cc: 'healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Post on my Blog...tire truing
=20
Agree. Spokes are normally cut and tossed. I was suggesting MWS may be a =
source for Healey original style 48 spoke wheels.
=20
From: Bob Spidell [mailto:bspidell@comcast.net]=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 9:17 AM
Cc: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Post on my Blog...tire truing
=20
The wire wheel specialists I've known don't bother with the spokes when =
rebuilding a wheel--e.g. when replacing a worn center hub--they just cut =
the old spokes out with a bolt cutter. It's a labor intensive job, and =
the spokes are a relatively small part of the cost.
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=20
=20
True enough. Trying to true a wheel that is even mildly flattened or =
more often potato chipped seldom succeeds, leaves an unstable wheel =
because some spokes are loose and that is unsafe because some spokes are =
overstressed. I think MWS will shorten pre-existing high quality butted =
spokes as needed. So, if the rim is reasonably circular, perhaps the =
long-term solution is to relace the wheel with new spokes.
=20
=20
=20
The problem with trying to true the old 48 spoke wheels is that the =
nipples seize on the spokes after 60 odd years and it is virtually =
impossible to free up the threads to save the spokes which are just not =
available for these really early wheels .... also the actual rim itself =
is often a little distorted and straightening that is very difficult and =
cannot be achieved by simply adjusting the spokes.=20
I had heard of people deflating the tire and rotating it 90 degrees on =
the rim then checking again so I gave that a try... There was no =
measurable change although I tried it in all 4 quadrants on the worst =
wheel ... I suspect that modern tires are made pretty accurately.=20
Regarding the "scalloping" I actually made 4 cuts on each tire and =
managed to position the blade to cut the tread fairly much like the =
original profile.. After a 10 mile run the tires look just like they did =
when before the treatment.
Michael S
BN1 #174
=20
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net =
Ingenious, and very not PC, but, wouldn't it have been easier to true =
the wheels? =20
=20
You probably want to run a little under-inflated as well, to compensate =
for the width-wise scalloping of the tread.
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>Opps: Spokes for Healey original style 48 spoke wheels. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hap =
Polk<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Bob Spidell' <bspidell@comcast.net><br><b>Cc:</b> 'healeys' =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] New Post =
on my Blog...tire truing<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Agree. Spokes are normally cut and tossed. I was suggesting MWS may be =
a source for Healey original style 48 spoke =
wheels.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Bob Spidell [<a =
href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>mailto:bspidell@comcast.net</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 9:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> Hap =
Polk <<a =
href=3D"mailto:happolk@cox.net";>happolk@cox.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> =
Michael Salter <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>>; =
healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] New Post on my Blog...tire =
truing<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The wire wheel =
specialists I've known don't bother with the spokes when rebuilding a =
wheel--e.g. when replacing a worn center hub--they just cut the old =
spokes out with a bolt cutter. It's a labor intensive job, and the =
spokes are a relatively small part of the =
cost.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=3D3 =
width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>True enough. Trying to true a wheel that is even mildly flattened or =
more often potato chipped seldom succeeds, leaves an unstable wheel =
because some spokes are loose and that is unsafe because some spokes are =
overstressed. I think MWS will shorten pre-existing high quality butted =
spokes as needed. So, if the rim is reasonably circular, perhaps the =
long-term solution is to relace the wheel with new spokes.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
> </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>The problem with trying to true the old 48 spoke wheels =
is that the nipples seize on the spokes after 60 odd years and it is =
virtually impossible to free up the threads to save the spokes which are =
just not available for these really early wheels .... also the actual =
rim itself is often a little distorted and straightening that is very =
difficult and cannot be achieved by simply adjusting the spokes. =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>I had heard of people deflating the tire and rotating =
it 90 degrees on the rim then checking again so I gave that a try... =
There was no measurable change although I tried it in all 4 quadrants on =
the worst wheel ... I suspect that modern tires are made pretty =
accurately. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Regarding the =
"scalloping" I actually made 4 cuts on each tire and managed =
to position the blade to cut the tread fairly much like the original =
profile.. After a 10 mile run the tires look just like they did =
when before the treatment.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Michael S</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>BN1 #174</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at =
10:18 AM, Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Ingenious, and very =
not PC, but, wouldn't it have been easier to true the wheels? =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>You probably want =
to run a little under-inflated as well, to compensate for the width-wise =
scalloping of the tread.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal =
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width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></span></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>=
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