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Re: [Healeys] Coolant change

To: Bruce Steele <healeybruce@roadrunner.com>, 'David Porter' <frogeye@porterscustom.com>, healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Coolant change
From: Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:11:59 +0100
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The heat transfer of Evans is less than water so theoretically one would 
need a bigger radiator to run at the same temperature. Running at a 
higher temperature is no problem at all though, I have run most of my 
cars on a thermostat with a higher opening temperature. It runs more 
efficient that way. The advice to run an engine without thermostat is of 
course idiotic.
I run my JH on 86°C instead of the standard 74°C (hot states) or 82°C. 
This gives a better cooling because of the higher delta T. Standard 
blue/green coolant. The electric fan comes in around around 98°C and 
switches of at around 92°C. No fixed fan. Even with the higher engine 
output because of DellOrto's DHLA 45 there are no issues.
A warning! Do not use the red/purple coolant as it can ruin 
gaskets/seals in older cars leaving you with coolant in the oil or oil 
in the coolant.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 6-11-2015 om 2:12 schreef Bruce Steele:
>
> I ran Evans for a year, and was not particularly happy with it.  Yes, 
> it has a higher boiling point, but my engine ran hotter and took 
> longer to get to operating temp as the engineer I spoke with at Evans 
> advised to run without the thermostat.  I went back to 25% glycol / 
> 25% distilled water with Water Wetter.
>
> Bruce Steele
>
> Brea, CA
>
> 1960 BN7
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *David Porter
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:37 AM
> *To:* Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl>; healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Coolant change
>
> ..and the Evans brand is just as slimy..
>
> On 11/5/2015 9:47 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
>
>     The anti corrosion properties do deteriorate. I would change the
>     coolant (blue or green, NOT red) every two years.
>     The waterless coolant does not cool as well, however it does not
>     boil either up to 180°C. It is also bloody expensive as you do not
>     only need the coolant but the prep fluid as well. If you cooling
>     system is OK steer clear from it.
>     Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>     Op 5-11-2015 om 14:53 schreef Daniel White:
>
>         I've searched the archives looking for any discussion
>         regarding how often to change the coolant in the BN7.  If the
>         answer is there...I missed it.  I'm running a 50/50 mix of
>         antifreeze and tap water and it tests o.k. as far as freeze
>         protection. This mix has been in the system for a number of
>         years.  Does coolant "go bad" with age?  Any thoughts about
>         the waterless coolant being sold on the market?
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         Dan White
>
>         1962 BN7 Mk II
>
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The heat transfer of Evans is less than
      water so theoretically one would need a bigger radiator to run at
      the same temperature. Running at a higher temperature is no
      problem at all though, I have run most of my cars on a thermostat
      with a higher opening temperature. It runs more efficient that
      way. The advice to run an engine without thermostat is of course
      idiotic.<br>
      I run my JH on 86°C instead of the standard 74°C (hot states) or
      82°C. This gives a better cooling because of the higher delta T.
      Standard blue/green coolant. The electric fan comes in around
      around 98°C and switches of at around 92°C. No fixed fan. Even
      with the higher engine output because of DellOrto's DHLA 45 there
      are no issues.<br>
      A warning! Do not use the red/purple coolant as it can ruin
      gaskets/seals in older cars leaving you with coolant in the oil or
      oil in the coolant.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
      <br>
      Op 6-11-2015 om 2:12 schreef Bruce Steele:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I ran Evans for a year, and was not
            particularly happy with it.  Yes, it has a higher boiling
            point, but my engine ran hotter and took longer to get to
            operating temp as the engineer I spoke with at Evans advised
            to run without the thermostat.  I went back to 25% glycol /
            25% distilled water with Water Wetter.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Bruce Steele</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Brea, CA</span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>1960 BN7</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Healeys
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
 <b>On Behalf Of
                </b>David Porter<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:37 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Oudesluys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:coudesluijs@chello.nl";>&lt;coudesluijs@chello.nl&gt;</a>;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Coolant change</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">..and the Evans brand is just as slimy..</p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 11/5/2015 9:47 AM, Oudesluys wrote:</p>
        </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">The anti corrosion properties do
              deteriorate. I would change the coolant (blue or green,
              NOT red) every two years.<br>
              The waterless coolant does not cool as well, however it
              does not boil either up to 180°C. It is also bloody
              expensive as you do not only need the coolant but the prep
              fluid as well. If you cooling system is OK steer clear
              from it.<br>
              Kees Oudesluijs<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Op 5-11-2015 om 14:53 schreef Daniel White:</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">I've searched the archives looking
                  for any discussion regarding how often to change the
                  coolant in the BN7.  If the answer is there...I missed
                  it.  I'm running a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and tap
                  water and it tests o.k. as far as freeze protection. 
                  This mix has been in the system for a number of
                  years.  Does coolant "go bad" with age?  Any thoughts
                  about the waterless coolant being sold on the market?</p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Dan White</p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">1962 BN7 Mk II</p>
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