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To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
Subject: [Healeys] OT: Re: get a load of this one..
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 07:17:37 -0800
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That's the problem with being a johnny-come-lately.  I'm 62, a 
fourth-generation Californian and have lived my entire life here, and I 
certainly don't feel as threatened as you do (though I've noticed that a 
lot of people tend to get paranoid as they get older).  Yes, California 
is getting crowded because just about everybody in the world, it seems, 
wants to live here.  The people freezing their asses off back east will 
likely give it some thought when they hear about our recent 70deg+ 
weather; not to mention the relative abundance of jobs--including 
yours--being created in spite of our nazi-communist-facist-socialist 
government.

Your claim that the FAA "wants to treat my 7 pound model airplane that 
does not fly out of my sight or place anyone or anything in danger like 
all aircraft and make me be licensed to fly it. of course the license is 
not free" is factually incorrect.  The truth is here: 
https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/

It took all of 10 seconds of internet searching to find this, although I 
was probably already more informed about this than you ever will be 
because I'm a private pilot and have been following this topic in the 
news and aviation publications for quite a while. Yes, pilots really are 
concerned about this as there have already been several reported 
instances of 'near misses' with both commercial and general aviation 
aircraft.  And, your 7lb RC aircraft could do significant 
damage--possibly even cause a crash (birds have brought down aircraft, 
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549)--to a light 
aircraft traveling at speeds in excess of 100MPH, and the airlines are 
rightfully concerned about someone flying one of the larger drones into 
an airliner full of passengers (don't think it could happen? Ever hear 
about the idiots pointing lasers at aircraft?).

California is such a terrible place for RC aircraft enthusiasts they 
build special 'airports'--there's one in nearby Livermore--so that the 
RC people have their own runway, airspace and parking to indulge their 
hobby.  At the park I often run at--Rancho San Antonio in Los Altos--the 
RC people had their own area and there were some conflicts so the 
terrible California people said "Hey, let's fence off part of the park 
for the RC aircraft people and tell others to stay the hell away from 
it."  Problem solved.  And, your attempt to conflate a federal agency, 
the FAA--ever ask yourself what the big 'F' stands for?--with the state 
of California get's an 'A' for creativity, but an 'F' for veracity.  
Side note: the FAA rules seem onerous at times--the FAR, the book of 
regulations for pilots, is 2-3 inches thick of fine print--but I respect 
them because most were written because somebody--often, a lot of 
somebodies--died.  The FAA is indeed struggling with this, as they are 
trying to balance the 'rights' of the RC/drone people with the rights of 
everybody else.

I could go on, but I'm probably pushing the limit on message size, but 
I'll say one more thing: Apparently, you moved to California in '71 
because California afforded you an opportunity for a good career; a 
career that has done so well for you that you are now able to 
contemplate retirement.  Yet you can't resist taking a swipe at the very 
state that afforded you this opportunity and enabled you to prosper.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Cheers,
Bob



On 2/13/2016 10:22 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:
> I moved here in 1971. It was a very different place back then.  Not as 
> crowded and not as regulated in all aspects of life.  These days you 
> can't keep up with all the nanny state laws being passed every year.  
> You can be a law abiding citizen one day and a potential felon the 
> next.  Every year brings more regulations and control over almost 
> everything you do.  Let's not get started on the gun control issue.  
> Now they can take all your firearms with no crime having been 
> committed. All someone has to do is convince a judge you MIGHT do 
> something to yourself or someone else.  If that is not the thought 
> police, I don't know what is.  Yes, you don't have to smog a car made 
> before 1975, but every year some lame brain democrat will introduce a 
> bill to make ALL cars have to undergo smog either retro actively or be 
> destroyed even though they do not contribute even 1 percent of the 
> smog to California.  That bimbo from the San Francisco are Fran Pavley 
> tried to get all motorcycles have to undergo smog tests retroactively 
> back many years over a certain engine size.  Never mind motorcycles 
> are not ridden as much or as often as automobiles or are a mall 
> percentage of all vehicles on the road.  Luckily it was defeated.  It 
> all started going down hill when the legislature in California went 
> for being is session for six months out of the year to year round.  
> Yes Bob I do feel free to leave this quagmire of rules and control of 
> personal liberties. Every one of my hobbies I will pursue when I 
> retire is now being controlled by either the state of California or as 
> in my radio control hobby the federal government being the FAA in 
> particular.  The FAA wants to treat my 7 pound model airplane that 
> does not fly out of my sight or place anyone or anything in danger 
> like all aircraft and make me be licensed to fly it. of course the 
> license is not free.  You have to pay for the government to control 
> you.  I retire from the railroad at the end of the year and am 
> seriously eyeing Arizona as a retirement destination.  At least there 
> I don't worry about an new firearm law being passed every 5 minutes.
> Mike MacLean
> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rrengineer.mike@att.net>


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    That's the problem with being a johnny-come-lately.  I'm 62, a
    fourth-generation Californian and have lived my entire life here,
    and I certainly don't feel as threatened as you do (though I've
    noticed that a lot of people tend to get paranoid as they get
    older).  Yes, California is getting crowded because just about
    everybody in the world, it seems, wants to live here.  The people
    freezing their asses off back east will likely give it some thought
    when they hear about our recent 70deg+ weather; not to mention the
    relative abundance of jobs--including yours--being created in spite
    of our nazi-communist-facist-socialist government.<br>
    <br>
    Your claim that the FAA "wants to treat my 7 pound model airplane
    that does not fly out of my sight or place anyone or anything in
    danger like all aircraft and make me be licensed to fly it. of
    course the license is not free" is factually incorrect.  The truth
    is here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/";>https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/</a>  
 <br>
    <br>
    It took all of 10 seconds of internet searching to find this,
    although I was probably already more informed about this than you
    ever will be because I'm a private pilot and have been following
    this topic in the news and aviation publications for quite a while. 
    Yes, pilots really are concerned about this as there have already
    been several reported instances of 'near misses' with both
    commercial and general aviation aircraft.  And, your 7lb RC aircraft
    could do significant damage--possibly even cause a crash (birds have
    brought down aircraft, see
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549";>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549</a>)--to
 a light
    aircraft traveling at speeds in excess of 100MPH, and the airlines
    are rightfully concerned about someone flying one of the larger
    drones into an airliner full of passengers (don't think it could
    happen? Ever hear about the idiots pointing lasers at aircraft?).  
    <br>
    <br>
    California is such a terrible place for RC aircraft enthusiasts they
    build special 'airports'--there's one in nearby Livermore--so that
    the RC people have their own runway, airspace and parking to indulge
    their hobby.  At the park I often run at--Rancho San Antonio in Los
    Altos--the RC people had their own area and there were some
    conflicts so the terrible California people said "Hey, let's fence
    off part of the park for the RC aircraft people and tell others to
    stay the hell away from it."  Problem solved.  And, your attempt to
    conflate a federal agency, the FAA--ever ask yourself what the big
    'F' stands for?--with the state of California get's an 'A' for
    creativity, but an 'F' for veracity.  Side note: the FAA rules seem
    onerous at times--the FAR, the book of regulations for pilots, is
    2-3 inches thick of fine print--but I respect them because most were
    written because somebody--often, a lot of somebodies--died.  The FAA
    is indeed struggling with this, as they are trying to balance the
    'rights' of the RC/drone people with the rights of everybody else.<br>
    <br>
    I could go on, but I'm probably pushing the limit on message size,
    but I'll say one more thing: Apparently, you moved to California in
    '71 because California afforded you an opportunity for a good
    career; a career that has done so well for you that you are now able
    to contemplate retirement.  Yet you can't resist taking a swipe at
    the very state that afforded you this opportunity and enabled you to
    prosper.<br>
    <br>
    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.<br>
    <br>
    Cheers,<br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/13/2016 10:22 PM, Michael MacLean
      wrote:<br>
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        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1455427533455_60610" dir="ltr">I moved
          here in 1971. It was a very different place back then.  Not as
          crowded and not as regulated in all aspects of life.  These
          days you can't keep up with all the nanny state laws being
          passed every year.  You can be a law abiding citizen one day
          and a potential felon the next.  Every year brings more
          regulations and control over almost everything you do.  Let's
          not get started on the gun control issue.  Now they can take
          all your firearms with no crime having been committed. All
          someone has to do is convince a judge you MIGHT do something
          to yourself or someone else.  If that is not the thought
          police, I don't know what is.  Yes, you don't have to smog a
          car made before 1975, but every year some lame brain democrat
          will introduce a bill to make ALL cars have to undergo smog
          either retro actively or be destroyed even though they do not
          contribute even 1 percent of the smog to California.  That
          bimbo from the San Francisco are Fran Pavley tried to get all
          motorcycles have to undergo smog tests retroactively back many
          years over a certain engine size.  Never mind motorcycles are
          not ridden as much or as often as automobiles or are a mall
          percentage of all vehicles on the road.  Luckily it was
          defeated.  It all started going down hill when the legislature
          in California went for being is session for six months out of
          the year to year round.  Yes Bob I do feel free to leave this
          quagmire of rules and control of personal liberties. Every one
          of my hobbies I will pursue when I retire is now being
          controlled by either the state of California or as in my radio
          control hobby the federal government being the FAA in
          particular.  The FAA wants to treat my 7 pound model airplane
          that does not fly out of my sight or place anyone or anything
          in danger like all aircraft and make me be licensed to fly it.
          of course the license is not free.  You have to pay for the
          government to control you.  I retire from the railroad at the
          end of the year and am seriously eyeing Arizona as a
          retirement destination.  At least there I don't worry about 
          an new firearm law being passed every 5 minutes.</div>
        <div dir="ltr">Mike MacLean  <br>
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