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Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Brake Servo

To: Stephen Hutchings <s.hutchings@rogers.com>, Earl Kagna <kags@shaw.ca>, Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Brake Servo
From: David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 07:17:58 -0600
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Power brake  in (San Jose)  408-292-1305  is really good at repair of 
the old Girling boosters and have substitutes available

Dave


On 8/2/2016 5:44 PM, Stephen Hutchings wrote:
> I have a feeling that my PBR booster, which I installed a number of 
> years ago, was not the same ratio as my old Girling.
> The Girling had given up, and had multiple problems, but I clearly 
> remember that back when it was working it had a much more satisfying 
> "bite"- less effort than the PBR.
>
> After reading your post, I will be looking to see if I have the little 
> rubber elbow hose!
>
> Stephen, BJ8
>
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> *From:* Earl Kagna <kags@shaw.ca>
> *To:* Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 1, 2016 9:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Brake Servo
>
> A few years ago, several Healey owners here installed PBR VH40 
> boosters in our BJ8?s.  We sourced them at:
> http://www.hydroboost.com.au/prices.htm
> in Australia.  I learned some interesting things in the process ? the 
> important one is that the VH40 booster is made in several different 
> versions with different boost ratios.  It means that you have to be 
> sure that the one you buy has a matching boost ratio as the original 
> Girling for it to work properly in your BJ8.  (the earlier Healeys 
> that had optional boosters installed would use a VH44 that would match 
> the earlier smaller Girling).
> These boosters are diaphragm units, which means that a vacuum loss 
> will lock the brakes on ? sometimes not the best scenario! ? ask me 
> how I know about this.  Turns out that there were some defective small 
> rubber elbow hoses ? the one that connects the two sections of the 
> unit.  They were split on installation at the factory.  The fix was 
> easy ? shorten the steel pipe leading up to the valve body and use a 
> length of quality vacuum hose and a couple of hose clamps.
> We have found the PBR VH40 to be an excellent replacement for the 
> original Girling ? I?m told that it?s getting increasingly difficult 
> to find quality rebuild kits for the Girling. So in the interests of 
> safety, a replacement booster is preferable in most respects.
> The above web-site will answer quite a few questions for you.  We had 
> mounting bracket kits and pre-bent brake pipes sent with the boosters 
> ? the brackets were Kilmartin pieces at the time.  So basically the 
> whole thing was a bolt in proposition.  A slightly longer (about 4 
> inches) vacuum hose is required to connect the booster to the manifold.
> Incidentally, the PBR booster has a bleed screw right on it, which 
> makes things a bit easier when bleeding the system.
> I am happy with the braking feel of my BJ8 with the PBR booster 
> installed.  I?m pretty sure that they can be sourced in North America.
> Earl Kagna
> Victoria, B.C.
> BJ8, BT7 tri-carb
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 31, 2016 1:24 AM
> *Subject:* [Healeys] BJ8 Brake Servo
> Hi, have a friend needing to replace a BJ8 brake servo (booster).
>
> Suggestions and sources needed.
>
> I have PBR (VH40, I believe) on my BJ8 and happy with that for 7-8 
> years. Are these still available? Where?
>
> Randy
>
> Randy Hicks
> www.austinhealey100m.com <http://www.austinhealey100m.com/>
> '56 100 M  White/Black
> '56 100 M  Florida Green/OEW ?Irene"
> '65 BJ8
> '53 MGTD
> '77 450 SL
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    <p>Power brake  in (San Jose)  408-292-1305  is really good at
      repair of the old Girling boosters and have substitutes available
      <br>
    </p>
    <p>Dave<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/2/2016 5:44 PM, Stephen Hutchings
      wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4141"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4235">I have a feeling
            that my PBR booster, which I installed a number of years
            ago, was not the same ratio as my old Girling.</span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4535" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4235">The Girling had
            given up, and had multiple problems, but I clearly remember
            that back when it was working it had a much more satisfying
            "bite"- less effort than the PBR.</span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4582" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4235"></span><span
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        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4610" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4235">After reading your
            post, I will be looking to see if I have the little rubber
            elbow hose!</span></div>
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          <div dir="ltr"><span 
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4609">Stephen,
              BJ8<br>
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                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                  Earl Kagna <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:kags@shaw.ca";>&lt;kags@shaw.ca&gt;</a><br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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                  Monday, August 1, 2016 9:18 PM<br>
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                  Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Brake Servo<br>
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                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4632">A
                          few years ago, several Healey owners here
                          installed PBR VH40 boosters in our BJ8?s.  We
                          sourced them at:</div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4637"> </div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4638"><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true" title-off=""
                            rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
                            title="http://www.hydroboost.com.au/prices.htm";
                            target="_blank"
                            
href="http://www.hydroboost.com.au/prices.htm";>http://www.hydroboost.com.au/prices.htm</a></div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4639"> </div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4640">in
                          Australia.  I learned some interesting things
                          in the process ? the important one is that the
                          VH40 booster is made in several different
                          versions with different boost ratios.  It
                          means that you have to be sure that the one
                          you buy has a matching boost ratio as the
                          original Girling for it to work properly in
                          your BJ8.  (the earlier Healeys that had
                          optional boosters installed would use a VH44
                          that would match the earlier smaller Girling).</div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4641"> </div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4642">These
                          boosters are diaphragm units, which means that
                          a vacuum loss will lock the brakes on ?
                          sometimes not the best scenario! ? ask me how
                          I know about this.  Turns out that there were
                          some defective small rubber elbow hoses ? the
                          one that connects the two sections of the
                          unit.  They were split on installation at the
                          factory.  The fix was easy ? shorten the steel
                          pipe leading up to the valve body and use a
                          length of quality vacuum hose and a couple of
                          hose clamps.</div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4643"> </div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470180970450_4644">We
                          have found the PBR VH40 to be an excellent
                          replacement for the original Girling ? I?m
                          told that it?s getting increasingly difficult
                          to find quality rebuild kits for the Girling. 
                          So in the interests of safety, a replacement
                          booster is preferable in most respects.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>The above web-site will answer quite a few
                          questions for you.  We had mounting bracket
                          kits and pre-bent brake pipes sent with the
                          boosters ? the brackets were Kilmartin pieces
                          at the time.  So basically the whole thing was
                          a bolt in proposition.  A slightly longer
                          (about 4 inches) vacuum hose is required to
                          connect the booster to the manifold.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>Incidentally, the PBR booster has a bleed
                          screw right on it, which makes things a bit
                          easier when bleeding the system.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>I am happy with the braking feel of my BJ8
                          with the PBR booster installed.  I?m pretty
                          sure that they can be sourced in North
                          America.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div
                          
style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Arial';COLOR:#141100;">Earl
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                              style="FONT-SIZE:14px;">Hi, have a friend
                              needing to replace a BJ8 brake servo
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                            <div><span style="FONT-SIZE:14px;">Suggestions
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                            <div><span style="FONT-SIZE:14px;">I have
                                PBR (VH40, I believe) on my BJ8 and
                                happy with that for 7-8 years. Are these
                                still available? Where?</span></div>
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