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Re: [Healeys] 3000 Mk III cloisonne front badge

To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 3000 Mk III cloisonne front badge
From: Chris Dimmock <austin.healey@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:00:36 +1000
Cc: Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
Delivered-to: mharc@autox.team.net
Delivered-to: healeys@autox.team.net
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This is interesting trivia!
I've never seen an Austin Healey Sprite (certainly 948's and 1100's) with a h=
yphen on their bonnet badges. But my collection of Sprite owners handbooks, s=
pecial tuning, schedule of workshop hours etc handbooks all have the hyphen.=
  But there's no hyphen on the cover of the Workshop manuals....
I just think it's a BMC consistency control issue.......
I also had a very quick look at some trademark databases. The most recent "A=
ustin Healey" and "Austin-Healey" trademark holders - British Motor Heritage=
 Limited / Nanjing / SAIC - appear to have/ had both variants as registered t=
rademarks at various times.=20
So I'm guessing it's a bigger deal to us than it ever was to Austin / BMC - t=
hey probably had both variants trademarked too, so it didn't matter.=20
So - was Jensen Healey always hyphenated or not??=20
;-)
Chris


> On 12 Sep 2016, at 9:10 AM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com> wrote:=

>=20
> When I replied just a few minutes ago to Steve Byer's message I did not vi=
ew the full string of messages and I see fromold posts attached to Ed Kaler'=
s message/site that I have been asking this same question since 2001--which i=
s pretty interesting given that I often tend to forget what seemed important=
 just a few minutes earlier.
>=20
> In any case though I know this issue hardly rises to the level of importan=
t it is a curious occurrence.  I can understand how badges got used out of s=
equence, but since the name "Austin'Healey" was an established brand and pro=
bably protected under UK and/or worldwide patent-trademark laws it makes me w=
onder why BMC would have intentionally changed the name of its product, albe=
it only by the omission of a dash.
>=20
> Best--Michael Oritt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net> wr=
ote:
>> Bob,
>>=20
>> Mk II
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>>=20
>> Bob Haskell
>> AHCA 3000 MkI registrar
>> http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php
>>=20
>>> On 09/11/2016 12:51 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
>>> Is a BJ7 a "Mark III" or a "Mark II?"
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On 9/11/2016 8:59 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
>>>> Knowing Jensen, they could have used either badge in the change-over
>>>> period. They used up old stock and or used what ever was at hand.
>>>> Kees Oudesluijs
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Op 11-9-2016 om 17:09 schreef BJ8Healeys:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The BJ7 badge had "Austin-Healey", and the BJ8 badge has it without
>>>>> the hyphen.   There is only one part number in the BMC parts list for
>>>>> the BJ7 badge, and one for BJ8, so only empirical data would identify
>>>>> if there was a change point in the middle of the models.  Previous
>>>>> discussions didn't surface anyone who had a BJ7 badge without the
>>>>> hyphen, or a BJ8 badge with it.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Steve Byers
>>>>>=20
>>>>> HBJ8L/36666
>>>>>=20
>>>>> BJ8 Registry
>>>>>=20
>>>>> AHCA Delegate at Large
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Havelock, NC
>>>>>=20
>>>>> *From:*Michael Oritt [mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com]
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:44 AM
>>>>> *To:* Gary R. Brierton
>>>>> *Cc:* BJ8Healeys; Healeys
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 3000 Mk III cloisonne front badge
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Now that we are all focused on the badge I would like to put out a
>>>>> question--one that I have asked before and never received what seemed
>>>>> to have been a definitive answer:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> How and when did "Austin-Healey" as written on the earlier badges
>>>>> become "Austin Healey" as was done on the badges for later cars?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>>=20
>>>=20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>This is interesting trivia!</div><div i=
d=3D"AppleMailSignature">I've never seen an Austin Healey Sprite (certainly 9=
48's and 1100's) with a hyphen on their bonnet badges. But my collection of S=
prite owners handbooks, special tuning, schedule of workshop hours etc handb=
ooks all have the hyphen. &nbsp;But there's no hyphen on the cover of the Wo=
rkshop manuals....</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">I just think it's a B=
MC consistency control issue.......</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">I al=
so had a very quick look at some trademark databases. The most recent "Austi=
n Healey" and "Austin-Healey" trademark holders - British Motor Heritage Lim=
ited / Nanjing / SAIC - appear to have/ had both variants as registered trad=
emarks at various times.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">So I'm gu=
essing it's a bigger deal to us than it ever was to Austin / BMC - they prob=
ably had both variants trademarked too, so it didn't matter.&nbsp;</div><div=
 id=3D"AppleMailSignature">So - was Jensen Healey always hyphenated or not??=
&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">;-)</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSign=
ature">Chris</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div><br>On 12 Se=
p 2016, at 9:10 AM, Michael Oritt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.=
com">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"=
>When I replied just a few minutes ago to Steve Byer's message I did not vie=
w the full string of messages and I see fromold posts attached to Ed Kaler's=
 message/site that I have been asking this same question since 2001--which i=
s pretty interesting given that I often tend to forget what seemed important=
 just a few minutes earlier.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"colo=
r:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">In=
 any case though I know this issue hardly rises to the level of important it=
 is a curious occurrence.&nbsp; I can understand how badges got used out of s=
equence, but since the name "Austin'Healey" was an established brand and pro=
bably protected under UK and/or worldwide patent-trademark laws it makes me w=
onder why BMC would have intentionally changed the name of its product, albe=
it only by the omission of a dash.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333f=
f">Best--Michael Oritt</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#333=
3ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Se=
p 11, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Bob Haskell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:r=
chaskell@earthlink.net" target=3D"_blank">rchaskell@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Bob,<br>
<br>
Mk II<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bob Haskell<br>
AHCA 3000 MkI registrar<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php"; rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.ciahc.org/registry_<wbr>3000mk1.php</a><span class=
=3D""><br>
<br>
On 09/11/2016 12:51 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">
Is a BJ7 a "Mark III" or a "Mark II?"<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/11/2016 8:59 AM, Oudesluys wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">
Knowing Jensen, they could have used either badge in the change-over<br>
period. They used up old stock and or used what ever was at hand.<br>
Kees Oudesluijs<br>
<br>
<br>
Op 11-9-2016 om 17:09 schreef BJ8Healeys:<br>
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">
<br>
The BJ7 badge had "Austin-Healey", and the BJ8 badge has it without<br>
the hyphen.&nbsp; &nbsp;There is only one part number in the BMC parts list f=
or<br>
the BJ7 badge, and one for BJ8, so only empirical data would identify<br>
if there was a change point in the middle of the models.&nbsp; Previous<br>
discussions didn't surface anyone who had a BJ7 badge without the<br>
hyphen, or a BJ8 badge with it.<br>
<br>
Steve Byers<br>
<br>
HBJ8L/36666<br>
<br>
BJ8 Registry<br>
<br>
AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
<br>
Havelock, NC<br>
<br></span>
*From:*Michael Oritt [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gmail.co<wbr>m</a>]<br>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:44 AM<br>
*To:* Gary R. Brierton<br>
*Cc:* BJ8Healeys; Healeys<br>
*Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 3000 Mk III cloisonne front badge<span class=3D""><=
br>
<br>
Now that we are all focused on the badge I would like to put out a<br>
question--one that I have asked before and never received what seemed<br>
to have been a definitive answer:<br>
<br>
How and when did "Austin-Healey" as written on the earlier badges<br>
become "Austin Healey" as was done on the badges for later cars?<br>
<br>
Best--Michael Oritt<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></blockquote></blockquote>
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