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Gary,
With all due respect, sorry but you are mistaken on a number of points.
*Michael Salter... Please make this my first revision for the next Concours
Guidelines update. *
First off, the badges were never Cloisonne, they are red enamel. Yes, the
Concours Guidelines state that they are Cloisonne, the Guidelines are
WRONG. I am officially submitting an update for the next Concours
Guidelines revision.
Copied from the Concours Guidelines...
*"All cars up through the Mark I 3000s had flat Austin-Healey "wings"
mounted on the front between the grille and bonnet opening, with red
cloisonn=C3=A9 lettering inset in chrome." *
Change to read* "**red enamel lettering"*
This is where the confusion first arises!
Secondly, all Austin Healey badges were red enamel from the very first BN1
in 1953 through the BJ8 at chassis no. 39975. After that they were indeed
painted red. Also copied from the Concours Guidelines...
*"BJ8s produced starting around C. 39,975 (approximate date =E2=80=93 Decem=
ber
1966) had a similar badge that was not cloisonn=C3=A9 but was painted red
instead of the cloisonn=C3=A9. These later badges have a smooth background
instead of the pebbled background of the enameled badges." *
Change to read* "**was not enamel but was painted red instead of the
enamel."*
Karla Maxwell, a trained jeweler with 45+ years experience who owns Maxwell
Enamels will tell you, as she told me 25 years ago that automotive badges
are enamel and NOT Cloisonne. Karla is the premier automotive emblem
restorer in the US, is in high demand for Pebble Beach participants, is a
neighbor and personal friend of 25+ years. Karla has restored a number of
badges personally for me, and I have done some Bakelite restoration work
for Karla for Pebble Beach cars that she was working on. Oh, and Karla's
business is Maxwell Enamels NOT Maxwell Cloisonne. In the UK the best
known badge restorer is PD Enamels, NOT PD Cloisonne.
I hope that this clears things up once and for all.
This is from Karla's FAQ section of her website...
http://www.maxwellenamels.com/FAQs.html
*FAQ... How was my emblem created? *
These enameled emblems are often, *incorrectly, referred to as cloisonn=C3=
=A9*.
Cloisonn=C3=A9 is an enamel process in which separate bands of metal are be=
nt
then applied to a base. These labor intensive bands encase the enamel and
create the design. I have yet to see an automobile emblem done with
cloisonn=C3=A9. The process that is used is called *champlev=C3=A9* (pronou=
nced
shomp=C2=B4-leh-vay).
The champlev=C3=A9 technique involves applying enamel into depressions in t=
he
base metal. These depressions may be etched, engraved or, in the case of
automobile emblems, die stamped. The stamping process can also include the
beautiful design work that shows under transparent enamels.
Historically the word enamel meant glass but today it seems to refer to any
shiny color. The correct terminology is *vitreous* [glass] enamel. It is a
true glass that melts and fuses around 1400 degrees F. Enamel can be
obtained as opaque, translucent or transparent. The colors are created by
the addition of metallic oxides to the glass.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 8:31 PM Gary R. Brierton <gbrierton@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> OK...let's try and clear this up. As I understand it, the "flat wings
> with the Austin-Healey script" commonly seen on BN1, BN2 and (I don't kno=
w
> when it stopped), had red paint of unknown shade in the etched out
> lettering. Along came the larger badges with MKII or whatever, in
> cloisonne. THEN, to really screw us up, those badges returned to red
> paint of unknown shade, seemingly during BJ8 production. As was true wit=
h
> almost everything involving our cars, the exact change VIN number for all
> of this is largely indeterminate, at least as far as trim pieces are
> concerned...oh, and some major body parts, like wings with one or two
> signaling lights, swag lines, whatever. Reliable reports (from D.M.H.!)
> state that the guiding principle in assembling our cars was "use up what
> was on hand".
> I claim no expertise beyond owning Austin-Healeys and associating with
> their owners for over 50 years (so, mainly the 6 cylinder cars).
> Take it away, Curt, Randy, Steve, et. al.=F0=9F=98=81
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Gary,<div><br></div><div>With all due res=
pect, sorry but you are mistaken on a number of points.=C2=A0</div><div><br=
></div><div><b>Michael Salter... Please make this my first revision for the=
next Concours Guidelines update.=C2=A0</b></div><div><br></div><div>First =
off, the badges were never Cloisonne, they are red enamel.=C2=A0 Yes, the C=
oncours Guidelines state that they are Cloisonne, the Guidelines are WRONG.=
=C2=A0 I am officially submitting an update for the next Concours Guideline=
s revision.</div><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-fontstyle0" style=
=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(34,34=
,34)">Copied from the Concours Guidelines...</span></span></div><div><span =
class=3D"gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:1=
0pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div><i><span class=3D"gmail-fontsty=
le0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">=
"All cars up through the Mark I 3000s had flat Austin-Healey "win=
gs" mounted on the front between the grille and bonnet opening, with <=
u>red cloisonn=C3=A9 lettering</u> inset in chrome."</span>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</i></div><div><br></div><div>Change to read<i>=C2=A0<font face=3D"arial=
, helvetica, sans-serif"><b>"</b></font></i><b><i><span class=3D"gmail=
-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(=
0,0,0)">red enamel lettering</span></i><i><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, s=
ans-serif">"</font></i></b><br style=3D"font-variant-numeric:normal;fo=
nt-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto"></=
div><div><br></div><div>This is where the confusion first arises!</div><div=
><br></div><div>Secondly, all Austin Healey badges were red enamel from the=
very first BN1 in 1953 through the BJ8 at chassis no. 39975. After that th=
ey were indeed painted red.=C2=A0 Also copied from the Concours Guidelines.=
..</div><div><br></div><div><i><span class=3D"gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">"BJ8s produ=
ced starting around C. 39,975 (approximate date =E2=80=93 December 1966) ha=
d a similar badge that <u>was not cloisonn=C3=A9 but was painted red instea=
d of the cloisonn=C3=A9</u>.</span>=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);fo=
nt-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">These later badges have a smooth =
background instead of the pebbled background of=C2=A0</span><span class=3D"=
gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">the enameled badges."=C2=A0</span></i></div><div><br></di=
v><div>Change to read<i>=C2=A0<b>"</b></i><i><span class=3D"gmail-font=
style0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0=
)"><b>was not enamel but was painted red instead of the enamel."</b></=
span></i></div><div><br></div><div>Karla Maxwell, a trained jeweler with 45=
+ years experience who owns Maxwell Enamels will tell you, as she told me 2=
5 years ago that automotive badges are enamel and NOT Cloisonne.=C2=A0 Karl=
a is the premier automotive emblem restorer in the US, is in high demand fo=
r Pebble Beach participants, is a neighbor and personal friend of 25+ years=
. Karla has restored a number of badges personally for me, and I have done =
some Bakelite restoration work for Karla for Pebble Beach cars that she was=
working on.=C2=A0 Oh, and Karla's business is Maxwell Enamels NOT Maxw=
ell Cloisonne.=C2=A0 In the UK the best known badge restorer is PD Enamels,=
NOT PD Cloisonne.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope that this clears things =
up once and for all.</div><div><br></div><div>This is from Karla's FAQ =
section of her website...=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.maxwellenamels.com/FAQ=
s.html">http://www.maxwellenamels.com/FAQs.html</a></div><div><div class=3D=
"gmail-sf_content" style=3D"float:right;width:463px;font-family:Verdana,Ari=
al,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;padding:15px 20px 20px 10px;backgrou=
nd-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;backgr=
ound-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style=3D"zoom:1"><div id=3D"gmail-content1" style=3D"widt=
h:439.844px;padding:5px 10px;overflow:hidden"><span style=3D"text-decoratio=
n-line:underline"><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size=3D"2"><font co=
lor=3D"#0b1a7a"><font face=3D"Arial"><b>FAQ... How was my emblem created?=
=C2=A0</b></font></font></font></p><p><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D"2"=
>These enameled emblems are often, <b><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,0)">incorrectly</span>, referred to as=C2=A0<i>cloisonn=C3=A9</i></b=
>. Cloisonn=C3=A9 is an enamel process in which separate bands of metal are=
bent then applied to a base. These labor intensive bands encase the enamel=
and create the design. <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">I h=
ave yet to see an automobile emblem done with cloisonn=C3=A9.</span> The pr=
ocess that is used is called=C2=A0<i>champlev=C3=A9</i>=C2=A0(pronounced sh=
omp=C2=B4-leh-vay).</font></font></p></span><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt"=
><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D"2">The champlev=C3=A9 technique involve=
s=C2=A0applying enamel into depressions in the base metal. These depression=
s may be etched, engraved or, in the case of automobile emblems, die stampe=
d. The stamping process can also include the beautiful design work that sho=
ws under transparent enamels.</font></font>=C2=A0</p><p><font face=3D"Arial=
" size=3D"2">Historically the word enamel meant glass but today it seems to=
refer to any shiny color. The correct terminology is=C2=A0<i>vitreous</i>=
=C2=A0[glass] enamel. It is a true glass that melts and fuses around 1400 d=
egrees F.=C2=A0 Enamel can be obtained as opaque, translucent or transparen=
t. The colors are created by the addition of metallic oxides to the glass.<=
/font></p><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=
=3D"2"><br></font></font></p><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0pt">=C2=A0<font fa=
ce=3D"Arial"><font size=3D"2"><br></font></font></p></div></div></div></div=
><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 8:31 PM Gary R. Brierton <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:gbrierton@hotmail.com";>gbrierton@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont">OK.=
..let's try and clear this up.=C2=A0 As I understand it, the "flat=
wings with the Austin-Healey script" commonly seen on BN1, BN2 and (I=
don't know when it stopped), had red paint of unknown
shade in the etched out lettering.=C2=A0 Along came the larger badges with=
MKII or whatever, in
<span style=3D"font-family:"times new roman","new york"=
,times,serif,serif,EmojiFont;font-size:16px">
cloisonne</span>. THEN, to really screw us up, those badges returned to red=
paint of unknown shade, seemingly during BJ8 production.=C2=A0 As was true=
with almost everything involving our cars, the exact change VIN number for=
all of this is largely indeterminate,
at least as far as trim pieces are concerned...oh, and some major body par=
ts, like wings with one=C2=A0 or two signaling lights, swag lines, whatever=
.=C2=A0 Reliable reports (from D.M.H.!) state that the guiding principle in=
assembling our cars was "use up what was
on hand".</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont">I c=
laim no expertise beyond owning Austin-Healeys and associating with their o=
wners for over 50 years (so, mainly the 6 cylinder cars).</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:EmojiFont,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,"Appl=
e Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe U=
I Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Take it away, Curt, Randy, Steve, et. al.<span>=F0=9F=98=81</span></div>
<br>
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