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Re: [Healeys] LED Headlight Conversion advice

To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] LED Headlight Conversion advice
From: Roland Wilhelmy <sentenac.rw@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:43:39 -0800
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The real issue is what it does for a Healey electrical system. Using
Roger's numbers it saves 60 watts or 5 amps at 12 volts. Many Healey
generators produce 20 to 22 amps max (not what they produce slogging
through traffic on a rainy night).  So I see 5 amps saved as being a big
deal in a :Healey.
-Roland

On Monday, February 25, 2019, Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:

>  mmmm... well you asked for it ... !!
>
> Moss gives H4 LED at 25 W per light
> Typical halogen H4 is around 55W
> Thus a net savings of 30 W per light.
> 1W =3D 1J per sec
> 1kWh is 3.6 mJ
> So extra energy used/saved is 0.03 kW per hour
> =3D 0.108 mJ per hour
> using 35mJ energy content per litre of gasoline
> ... mmm no comments about regular or hi octane please !
> this translates into 3.7ml =3D approx. 2.5 teaspoons per hour per light
> saving
>
> So 5 teaspoons per hour net saving for both lights.
> Note this is just the electrical energy savings.
>
> So allowing 90% efficy for generator and say 30% for the IC engine likely
> net saving is around 18.5 teaspoons or 23.1 ml per hour !!
>
> rg
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Ron Fine" <ronfineesq@earthlink.net>
> *To: *"Al Fuller" <alfuller194@gmail.com>, "AH Mail List" <
> healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Sent: *Monday, February 25, 2019 9:47:47 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] LED Headlight Conversion advice
>
> I am wondering what the energy savings would be between these LED lights
> and the standard sealed beam lights I now use?
>
> Ron Fine
>
> *From:* Al Fuller
> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2019 5:08 AM
> *To:* AH Mail List
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] LED Headlight Conversion advice
>
> Any idea of who besides little British carry the kit?
>
> Al Fuller
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 2:45 AM Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net
> wrote:
>
>> I bought the same pair of conversion LED headlights last week for $76.63
>> on sale with Little British Car Co.  Sounds like the sale is over.  Goin=
g
>> to put them on my Bugeye.
>> Mike MacLean
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=3DInProduct&c=3DGlobal_Internal_YGr=
owth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=3Dym&af_sub1=3DInternal&af_sub2=3D=
Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=3DEmailSignature>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:10 PM, Bob Haskell
>> <rchaskell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Listers,
>>
>> Just got the weekly email from Little British Car Company and they're
>> selling a pair of semi-sealed 7" round headlight with H4 LED bulbs that
>> will work with positive or negative ground for about $90 (P/N
>> 171-LEDHL101).  NFI.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob Haskell
>> Austin Healey 3000 MkI registrar
>> http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php
>>
>> On 2/20/19 3:42 PM, bgdrab@eastlink.ca wrote:
>> > Since I posted that I had the led lights and loved them I have had
>> > several enquiries asking me from whom and what kind I used. To further
>> > clarify my post on LED headlights, I had some original Lucas Tripod
>> > headlights in my car. They did not use the H4 bulb but a much larger
>> > bulb with a much larger base. The set I got was from the UK and
>> included
>> > an adapter ring which allowed me to use the H$ style LED bulb in my
>> > Tripod headlights.
>> >
>> > I unfortunately don=E2=80=99t remember the name of the company I=E2=80=
=99d got the
>> > lights from nor the exact price but I believe the all in price
>> including
>> > shipping was around $125.  I=E2=80=99m going to dig through some infor=
mation
>> > that I have and try to locate the company name and the headlight kit
>> > name. I=E2=80=99ll post that info when (and if) I find it. I do have t=
o
>> > reiterate =E2=80=93 the difference is well worth the effort, especiall=
y if you
>> > do a lot of night driving.
>> >
>> > It is also worth noting that these aren=E2=80=99t a simple conversion =
from
>> > sealed beams as some thought. You must have the European style head
>> > lights with a replaceable bulb.
>> >
>> > Brian Drab
>> >
>> > *From:*warthodson@aol.com <warthodson@aol.com>
>> > *Sent:* February 19, 2019 8:26 AM
>> > *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
>> > *Subject:* [Healeys] LED Headlight Conversion advice
>> >
>> > There seems to be a big difference between the two options (Litezupp &
>> > Moss) listed below.
>> >
>> > I am not familiar enough with each to understand the pros & cons of
>> > each. Obviously, the Litzupp is a simple bulb replacement, While the
>> > Moss product requites some wiring adaptions.
>> >
>> > The Litzupp appear to be screw in bases, not the type of base used in
>> > non-sealed beam headlights. Do they offer just the replacement bulb
>> that
>> > would fit into an existing vintage non-sealed beam head lamp?
>> >
>> > Gary Hodson
>> >
>> > Litezupp Ind. LLC. Www.litezupp.com <http://Www.litezupp.com>
>> >
>> > Ira Erbs
>> > Portland, OR
>> > typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone
>> >
>> >    Op 19-2-2019 om 05:21 schreef Bob Spidell:
>> >
>> >        Either:
>> >        https://mossmotors.com/led-conversion-kits-for-7-h4-headlamps
>> >
>> >        (see option dropdown)
>> >
>> >
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The real issue is what it does for a Healey electrical system. Using Roger&=
#39;s numbers it saves 60 watts or 5 amps at 12 volts. Many Healey generato=
rs produce 20 to 22 amps max (not what they produce slogging through traffi=
c on a rainy night).=C2=A0 So I see 5 amps saved as being a big deal in a :=
Healey.=C2=A0<div>-Roland<br><br>On Monday, February 25, 2019, Roger Grace =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net";>roggrace@telus.net</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>=C2=A0mmmm... well you=
 asked for it ... !!<br></div><div><br></div><div>Moss gives H4 LED at 25 W=
 per light<br></div><div>Typical halogen H4 is around 55W <br></div><div>Th=
us a net savings of 30 W per light.<br></div><div>1W =3D 1J per sec<br></di=
v><div>1kWh is 3.6 mJ<br></div><div>So extra energy used/saved is 0.03 kW p=
er hour </div><div>=3D 0.108 mJ per hour<br></div><div>using 35mJ energy co=
ntent per litre of gasoline <br></div><div>... mmm no comments about regula=
r or hi octane please !<br></div><div>this translates into 3.7ml =3D approx=
. 2.5 teaspoons per hour per light saving<br></div><div><br></div><div>So 5=
 teaspoons per hour net saving for both lights.<br></div><div>Note this is =
just the electrical energy savings.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So allowin=
g 90% efficy for generator and say 30% for the IC engine likely net saving =
is around 18.5 teaspoons or 23.1 ml per hour !!<br></div><div><br></div><di=
v>rg<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr><div><b>From=
: </b>&quot;Ron Fine&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ronfineesq@earthlink.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">ronfineesq@earthlink.net</a>&gt;<br><b>To: </b>&quot;Al F=
uller&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">=
alfuller194@gmail.com</a>&gt;, &quot;AH Mail List&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:healeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;=
<br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, February 25, 2019 9:47:47 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re=
: [Healeys] LED Headlight Conversion advice<br></div><div><br></div><div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&#39;Arial&#39;;col=
or:#000000"><div>I am wondering what the energy savings would be between th=
ese LED lights and the standard sealed beam lights I now use?</div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><div>Ron Fine</div><div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:n=
one;font-family:&#39;Calibri&#39;;font-weight:normal;color:#000000;font-sty=
le:normal;display:inline"><div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma"><div>=C2=A0</div>=
<div style=3D"background:#f5f5f5"><div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"alfuller194=
@gmail.com">Al Fuller</a><br></div><div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 25, 2=
019 5:08 AM</div><div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">AH Mai=
l List</a><br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] LED Headlight Conver=
sion advice</div></div></div><div>=C2=A0</div></div><div style=3D"font-size=
:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:&#39;Calibri&#39;;font-weight:norma=
l;color:#000000;font-style:normal;display:inline"><div>Any idea of who besi=
des little British carry the kit?<br><br><div>Al Fuller</div></div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Feb 25, 2019, =
2:45 AM Michael MacLean &lt;<a>rrengineer.mike@att.net</a> wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:#cc=
c 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">I bought the same pair of conversion =
LED headlights last week for $76.63 on sale with Little British Car Co.=C2=
=A0 Sounds like the sale is over.=C2=A0 Going to put them on my Bugeye.<div=
>Mike MacLean<br><br><div><a href=3D"https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=3D=
InProduct&amp;c=3DGlobal_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&amp=
;af_wl=3Dym&amp;af_sub1=3DInternal&amp;af_sub2=3DGlobal_YGrowth&amp;af_sub3=
=3DEmailSignature" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mai=
l on Android</a><br></div><br><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 20px"><di=
v style=3D"font-family:roboto,sans-serif;color:#6d00f6"><div>On Sun, Feb 24=
, 2019 at 8:10 PM, Bob Haskell</div><div>&lt;<a rel=3D"noreferrer">rchaskel=
l@earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div></div><div style=3D"border-left:#6d00f6=
 1px solid;margin:10px 0px 0px;padding:10px 0px 0px 20px"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Listers,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Just got th=
e weekly email from Little British Car Company and they&#39;re <br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">selling a pair of semi-sealed 7&quot; round headlight with H=
4 LED bulbs that <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">will work with positive or nega=
tive ground for about $90 (P/N <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">171-LEDHL101).=C2=
=A0 NFI.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cheers,<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Haskell<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Austin Healey 3000 MkI registrar<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
a href=3D"http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php"; rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.ciahc.org/registry_<wbr>3000mk1.php</a><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">On 2/20/19 3:42 PM, <a rel=3D=
"noreferrer">bgdrab@eastlink.ca</a> wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; S=
ince I posted that I had the led lights and loved them I have had <br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; several enquiries asking me from whom and what kind =
I used. To further <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; clarify my post on LED h=
eadlights, I had some original Lucas Tripod <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;=
 headlights in my car. They did not use the H4 bulb but a much larger <br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; bulb with a much larger base. The set I got was =
from the UK and included <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; an adapter ring wh=
ich allowed me to use the H$ style LED bulb in my <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">&gt; Tripod headlights.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt; I unfortunately don=E2=80=99t remember the name of the compan=
y I=E2=80=99d got the <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; lights from nor the e=
xact price but I believe the all in price including <br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">&gt; shipping was around $125.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m going to dig through s=
ome information <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; that I have and try to loca=
te the company name and the headlight kit <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; n=
ame. I=E2=80=99ll post that info when (and if) I find it. I do have to <br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; reiterate =E2=80=93 the difference is well wort=
h the effort, especially if you <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; do a lot of=
 night driving.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&=
gt; It is also worth noting that these aren=E2=80=99t a simple conversion f=
rom <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; sealed beams as some thought. You must =
have the European style head <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; lights with a =
replaceable bulb.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>&gt; Brian Drab<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
&gt; *From:*<a rel=3D"noreferrer">warthodson@aol.com</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">warthodson@aol.com</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; *Sent:* F=
ebruary 19, 2019 8:26 AM<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; *To:* <a rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; *Subject=
:* [Healeys] LED Headlight Conversion advice<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;=
 <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; There seems to be a big difference between=
 the two options (Litezupp &amp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Moss) list=
ed below.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I =
am not familiar enough with each to understand the pros &amp; cons of <br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; each. Obviously, the Litzupp is a simple bulb re=
placement, While the <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Moss product requites =
some wiring adaptions.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">&gt; The Litzupp appear to be screw in bases, not the type of base us=
ed in <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; non-sealed beam headlights. Do they o=
ffer just the replacement bulb that <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; would f=
it into an existing vintage non-sealed beam head lamp?<br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Gary Hodson<br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Litezupp Ind. LLC. <a href=3D"ht=
tp://Www.litezupp.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">Www.litezupp.co=
m</a> &lt;<a href=3D"http://Www.litezupp.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">http://Www.litezupp.com</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Ira Erbs<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Portlan=
d, OR<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; typos and artifacts are the fault of m=
y phone<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Op 19-2-2019 om 05:21 schreef Bob Spidell:<br></div><div di=
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://mossmotors.com/led-conversion-kits=
-for-7-h4-headlamps" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://mossmotor=
s.com/led-<wbr>conversion-kits-for-7-h4-<wbr>headlamps</a><br></div><div di=
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