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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Towing a Healey flat
From: "R. Lindsay" <050.rpl@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 17:43:13 -0400
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Remove the drive shaft!! One of our Midwest member=E2=80=99s destroyed a gea=
r box when it slipped into gear going to Conclave one year.=20

Price Lindsay
67 BJ8

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>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 2:31 PM Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl> wr=
ote:
>> A car with a manual gearbox can be towed over ant distance without any pr=
oblems. Gears spin so oil is splashed about in the box, same for the rear ax=
le. The problem lies with conventional automatic boxes which generally canno=
t be towed over any distance. Other automatic gearboxes may (e.g. variomatic=
) or may not be towed.
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>> Kees Oudesluijs
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>> Op 9-6-2019 om 23:19 schreef Robert Begani:
>>> I am considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the front of t=
he frame.  The problem I find is that on most sites I have searched,  listen=
ers say you have to disconnect the propeller/driveshaft because the transmis=
sion will not be lubricating the gears.  As our Healey=E2=80=99s are not aut=
omatic transmissions I do not see the why not.  Another group of comment is t=
hat the manual trans gears would not be lubricated. Although I am not expert=
 in the transmission it seems to me that with all the oil we put in the Heal=
ey trans all the gears must be at least half immersed and well lubricated.=20=

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>>> I have spoken to several Healey drivers at Conclave and shows over the p=
ast few years who have towed their Healey flat to the show and all have said=
 =E2=80=9Cworks great without any problems with the trans connected=E2=80=9D=
.  My own experience was with my girlfriends soon to become wife in 1968 to g=
et her TR3 to Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal (remember those?) from Budget C=
hicago to take a car to Phoenix. I rented a bumper hitch from Uhaul with cla=
mps to the bumper of her 1962 TR3.  Remember big bumpers on American Cars! I=
 drove it via US 66 all the way to Phoenix through a rain and sleet storm in=
 November.  It followed me very nicely.  We drove it for 2 years around AZ u=
ntil I finished my MBA and never had a transmission problem.
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>>> Oh yes, back in the day, we were told that British Cars were designed to=
 have a person in the drivers seat so if you tow one you should put a weight=
 in the drivers seat otherwise the car will want to lean or list to starboar=
d. Never understood that comment.  Nevertheless, I put a duffel bag of cloth=
es just in case.  Again, it followed me very nicely.
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>>> So I want to use my 3.8 V6 Chrysler Pacifica 2005 SUV which can handle 3=
500 lbs up to 5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with very little load on the=
 tongue. So it can handle the load. I have pictures of a tow bar made for th=
e BJ8 which bolts to the front of the frame my friend can fabricate.   I see=
k comments from the list.
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>>> Who has experience with Towing Flat?
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>>> Regards,
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>>> Bob Begani
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Remove the drive shaft!! One of our Midwest=
 member=E2=80=99s destroyed a gear box when it slipped into gear going to Co=
nclave one year.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Price Lindsay</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">67 BJ8<br><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br>On Jun 9, 2019, at 5:38 PM, i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000=
@gmail.com">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">just make sure its in neutral an=
d not in gear.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><di=
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tr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<di=
v>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=
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nt-family:'Times New Roman',serif">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4=
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    <p>A car with a manual gearbox can be towed over ant distance
      without any problems. Gears spin so oil is splashed about in the
      box, same for the rear axle. The problem lies with conventional
      automatic boxes which generally cannot be towed over any distance.
      Other automatic gearboxes may (e.g. variomatic) or may not be
      towed.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class=3D"gmail-m_947069159970709355moz-cite-prefix">Op 9-6-2019 om 2=
3:19 schreef Robert
      Begani:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
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      <div class=3D"gmail-m_947069159970709355WordSection1">
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">I
            am considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the
            front of the frame.&nbsp; The problem I find is that on most
            sites I have searched, &nbsp;listeners say you have to disconnec=
t
            the propeller/driveshaft because the transmission will not
            be lubricating the gears.&nbsp; As our Healey=E2=80=99s are not a=
utomatic
            transmissions I do not see the why not.&nbsp; Another group of
            comment is that the manual trans gears would not be
            lubricated. Although I am not expert in the transmission it
            seems to me that with all the oil we put in the Healey trans
            all the gears must be at least half immersed and well
            lubricated.&nbsp; <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">I
            have spoken to several Healey drivers at Conclave and shows
            over the past few years who have towed their Healey flat to
            the show and all have said =E2=80=9Cworks great without any prob=
lems
            with the trans connected=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; My own experience was w=
ith my
            girlfriends soon to become wife in 1968 to get her TR3 to
            Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal (remember those?) from
            Budget Chicago to take a car to Phoenix. I rented a bumper
            hitch from Uhaul with clamps to the bumper of her 1962 TR3.&nbsp=
;
            Remember big bumpers on American Cars! I drove it via US 66
            all the way to Phoenix through a rain and sleet storm in
            November.&nbsp; It followed me very nicely.&nbsp; We drove it fo=
r 2
            years around AZ until I finished my MBA and never had a
            transmission problem.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">Oh
            yes, back in the day, we were told that British Cars were
            designed to have a person in the drivers seat so if you tow
            one you should put a weight in the drivers seat otherwise
            the car will want to lean or list to starboard. Never
            understood that comment.&nbsp; Nevertheless, I put a duffel bag
            of clothes just in case.&nbsp; Again, it followed me very nicely=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">So
            I want to use my 3.8 V6 Chrysler Pacifica 2005 SUV which can
            handle 3500 lbs up to 5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with
            very little load on the tongue. So it can handle the load. I
            have pictures of a tow bar made for the BJ8 which bolts to
            the front of the frame my friend can fabricate.&nbsp;&nbsp; I se=
ek
            comments from the list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">Who
            has experience with Towing Flat?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">Bob
            Begani<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
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