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I am not an engineer but I did play one when I was a kid with a Lionel
train set.
Best--Michael Oritt
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 12:02 AM Mirek Sharp <m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Thanks Michael,
>
>
>
> I have wondered about the metallurgy around chroming wheels, but have
> never heard it from an engineer. I have heard that opinion about the gol=
d
> plated wheels on the Earls Court show car, but again, I think it was more
> speculation than informed opinion from an engineer. It=E2=80=99s a moot =
point for
> me as I prefer the painted wheels.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Oritt [mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* January-05-20 4:53 PM
> *To:* Mirek Sharp
> *Cc:* Max Byers; Austin Healey
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires
>
>
>
> Mirek--
>
>
>
> In response to your question as to whether anyone has experienced total
> wheel failure, many years ago I had a 1960 BN7 that came with chrome wire
> wheels, and though I don't remember whether the wheels had 48 or 60 spoke=
s
> I do know that on several occasions I experienced broken spokes. Things
> never got to the point of total wheel failure because invariably the brok=
en
> spoke would poke a hole in the inner tube and when I had to replace the
> tube I also replaced the spoke.
>
>
>
> As opposed to today's stainless steel spokes back then I believe that
> chromed wire wheels had plated spokes and the chroming process embrittled
> the spokes, increasing their vulnerability to breaking. FWIW I have neve=
r
> broken a spoke on the 20 year old 60 spoke chromed Daytons I have had on =
my
> present car.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 10:05 AM Mirek Sharp <m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> I have wondered how many people drive with broken spokes and do not even
> realize it. I have only had experience with a few broken spokes, one on =
my
> Healey and one on my TC (both rear wheels), and both were broken right
> where the spoke enters the hub, and were not easily noticed. One really
> has to use the time-honoured method of tapping the spokes with a spanner =
or
> screwdriver to listen to the ring, or notice them during a tyre change. =
It
> is quite possible the many healeys, especially those owned/driven by less
> mechanically-minded souls, are driving around with a broken spoke or two.
> I'm no engineer, but I would not be surprised if this has little effect o=
n
> the overall safety of the wheel for normal driving. Does anyone know of =
a
> complete wheel failure from normal driving? I have seen only one. When
> still an apprentice, an E-Type was towed into the shop and one rear wheel
> had most of its spokes sheared off at the hub (a 72 spoke chrome Dunlop).
> No idea how it happened. Cheers, Mirek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Max
> Byers
> Sent: January-04-20 12:29 PM
> To: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires
>
> "A few broken spokes in 106,000 miles is pretty good, I think. How many
> people besides you and me put that kind of mileage on their Healey now,
> Bob? And some of those broken spokes were in the days before Allen Hendr=
ix
> was truing and balancing my wheels.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
> Spidell
> Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 11:50 AM
> To: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires
>
> Hmmmmm. To me 'a few broken spokes' and 'more than adequate' is a
> contradiction in terms.
>
>
> On 1/4/2020 7:54 AM, Max Byers wrote:
> > Bruce, here is my input:
> >
> > I do not know anything about Dunlop/Moss wheels. I bought five 60-spok=
e
> 15x4.5 Dayton chrome wheels with stainless spokes from British Wire Wheel
> in 1991, and they are still on my BJ8 with 106,000 miles on them now. I'=
ve
> had a few broken spokes over the years, but fortunately I am relatively
> close to Allen Hendrix. He keeps them trued and balanced whenever I need
> replacement spokes or new tires.
> >
> > It is only my personal opinion and preference, but while 72 spoke wheel=
s
> are stronger, they are also have a "busier" appearance. My experience wi=
th
> the 60-spokers tells me that they are more than adequate.
> >
> > I have always used 165 x 15 tires, again personal preference. As to
> which brand, I use whichever tire is available to Hendrix Wire Wheel. At
> one point it was Kumhos, and I really liked those tires. They were not
> available at my last tire change, so I currently have Nexens. So far, wi=
th
> 5 years and 10,000 miles on them they are also proving to be a very good
> tire.
> >
> > Steve Byers
> > HBJ8L/36666
> > BJ8 Registry
> > AHCA Delegate at Large
> > Havelock, NC USA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Bruce Peters
> > Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 12:26 AM
> > To: healeys@autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I=E2=80=99m getting closer to having to buy wheels and tires for my =E2=
=80=9867 BJ8.
> When I say closer I mean a year or so but I like to plan ahead. My car wi=
ll
> not be concours correct or be entered in any car judging at shows. It=E2=
=80=99ll be
> a driver that won=E2=80=99t see any track time of any sort. That being sa=
id I=E2=80=99m
> wondering what everyone=E2=80=99s thoughts are on wheels and tires. I pla=
n to put
> chrome wire wheels on. I don=E2=80=99t want Minilite=E2=80=99s. So, here =
are my questions:
> >
> > 1. Dunlop style(e.g. Moss) versus Dayton(e.g. Hendrix)?
> > 2. Wheel size=E2=80=9415x4.5 60 spoke; 15x5 72 spoke; or 15x5.5 72 spok=
e?
> > 3. Tire Brand?
> > 4. Tire Size?
> >
> > I=E2=80=99m not a bargain basement shopper so I=E2=80=99m willing to pa=
y for the best
> combinations that make sense. I realize there=E2=80=99s a lot of personal
> preference so I hope I=E2=80=99m not gonna start a war with these questio=
ns!
> >
> > Thanks everyone!
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I am not an engineer but I did play one when I was a kid =
with a Lionel train set.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Best-=
-Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 12:02 AM Mirek Sharp <<a href=
=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca";>m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>> wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vli=
nk=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_-5178356487144658690WordSection1"><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif"">Thanks Michael,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri&qu=
ot;,"sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&quo=
t;sans-serif"">I have wondered about the metallurgy around chroming wh=
eels, but have never heard it from an engineer.=C2=A0 I have heard that opi=
nion about the gold plated wheels on the Earls Court show car, but again, I=
think it was more speculation than informed opinion from an engineer.=C2=
=A0 It=E2=80=99s a moot point for me as I prefer the painted wheels. <u></u=
><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Cheers,=C2=A0 Mirek<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></=
b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&q=
uot;,"sans-serif""> Michael Oritt [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:micha=
el.oritt@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">michael.oritt@gmai=
l.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> January-05-20 4:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mirek Sharp=
<br><b>Cc:</b> Max Byers; Austin Healey<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Wh=
eels/Tires<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff">Mirek=
--<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"color:#3333ff"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff">In response to your question as to whet=
her anyone has experienced total wheel failure, many years ago I had a 1960=
BN7 that came with chrome wire wheels, and though I don't remember whe=
ther the wheels had 48 or 60 spokes I do know that on several occasions I e=
xperienced broken spokes.=C2=A0 Things never got to the point of total whee=
l failure because invariably the broken spoke would poke a hole in the inne=
r tube and when I had to replace the tube I also replaced the spoke.<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3=
333ff"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"color:#3333ff">As opposed to today's stainless steel spokes=
back then I believe that chromed wire wheels had plated spokes and the chr=
oming process embrittled the spokes, increasing their vulnerability to brea=
king.=C2=A0 FWIW I have never broken a spoke on the 20 year old 60 spoke ch=
romed Daytons I have had on my present car.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
/div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 10:05 AM Mirek Sharp <<a href=3D"mailto=
:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">m.g.sharp@sym=
patico.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border=
:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left=
:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0=
pt">I have wondered how many people drive with broken spokes and do not eve=
n realize it.=C2=A0 I have only had experience with a few broken spokes, on=
e on my Healey and one on my TC (both rear wheels), and both were broken ri=
ght where the spoke enters the hub, and were not easily noticed.=C2=A0 One =
really has to use the time-honoured method of tapping the spokes with a spa=
nner or screwdriver to listen to the ring, or notice them during a tyre cha=
nge.=C2=A0 It is quite possible the many healeys, especially those owned/dr=
iven by less mechanically-minded souls, are driving around with a broken sp=
oke or two.=C2=A0 I'm no engineer, but I would not be surprised if this=
has little effect on the overall safety of the wheel for normal driving.=
=C2=A0 Does anyone know of a complete wheel=C2=A0 failure from normal drivi=
ng?=C2=A0 I have seen only one.=C2=A0 When still an apprentice, an E-Type w=
as towed into the shop and one rear wheel had most of its spokes sheared of=
f at the hub (a 72 spoke chrome Dunlop).=C2=A0 No idea how it happened.=C2=
=A0 Cheers,=C2=A0 Mirek<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Healeys =
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Max By=
ers<br>Sent: January-04-20 12:29 PM<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><b=
r>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires<br><br>"A few broken spokes in 1=
06,000 miles is pretty good, I think.=C2=A0 How many people besides you and=
me put that kind of mileage on their Healey now, Bob?=C2=A0 And some of th=
ose broken spokes were in the days before Allen Hendrix was truing and bala=
ncing my wheels.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Healeys [mailto=
:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<b=
r>Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 11:50 AM<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.ne=
t</a><br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires<br><br>Hmmmmm.=C2=A0 To me =
9;a few broken spokes' and 'more than adequate' is a <br>contra=
diction in terms.<br><br><br>On 1/4/2020 7:54 AM, Max Byers wrote:<br>> =
Bruce, here is my input:<br>><br>> I do not know anything about Dunlo=
p/Moss wheels.=C2=A0 I bought five 60-spoke 15x4.5 Dayton chrome wheels wit=
h stainless spokes from British Wire Wheel in 1991, and they are still on m=
y BJ8 with 106,000 miles on them now.=C2=A0 I've had a few broken spoke=
s over the years, but fortunately I am relatively close to Allen Hendrix.=
=C2=A0 He keeps them trued and balanced whenever I need replacement spokes =
or new tires.<br>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>> It is only my personal opinion a=
nd preference, but while 72 spoke wheels are stronger, they are also have a=
"busier" appearance.=C2=A0 My experience with the 60-spokers tel=
ls me that they are more than adequate.<br>><br>> I have always used =
165 x 15 tires, again personal preference.=C2=A0 As to which brand, I use w=
hichever tire is available to Hendrix Wire Wheel.=C2=A0 At one point it was=
Kumhos, and I really liked those tires.=C2=A0 They were not available at m=
y last tire change, so I currently have Nexens.=C2=A0 So far, with 5 years =
and 10,000 miles on them they are also proving to be a very good tire.<br>&=
gt;<br>> Steve Byers<br>> HBJ8L/36666<br>> BJ8 Registry<br>> AH=
CA Delegate at Large<br>> Havelock, NC=C2=A0 USA<br>><br>> -----Or=
iginal Message-----<br>> From: Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys=
-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys-bounc=
es@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Bruce Peters<br>> Sent: Saturday, Ja=
nuary 4, 2020 12:26 AM<br>> To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>> S=
ubject: [Healeys] Wheels/Tires<br>><br>> Hi all,<br>> I=E2=80=99m =
getting closer to having to buy wheels and tires for my =E2=80=9867 BJ8. Wh=
en I say closer I mean a year or so but I like to plan ahead. My car will n=
ot be concours correct or be entered in any car judging at shows. It=E2=80=
=99ll be a driver that won=E2=80=99t see any track time of any sort. That b=
eing said I=E2=80=99m wondering what everyone=E2=80=99s thoughts are on whe=
els and tires. I plan to put chrome wire wheels on. I don=E2=80=99t want Mi=
nilite=E2=80=99s. So, here are my questions:<br>><br>> 1. Dunlop styl=
e(e.g. Moss) versus Dayton(e.g. Hendrix)?<br>> 2. Wheel size=E2=80=9415x=
4.5 60 spoke; 15x5 72 spoke; or 15x5.5 72 spoke?<br>> 3. Tire Brand?<br>=
> 4. Tire Size?<br>><br>> I=E2=80=99m not a bargain basement shopp=
er so I=E2=80=99m willing to pay for the best combinations that make sense.=
I realize there=E2=80=99s a lot of personal preference so I hope I=E2=80=
=99m not gonna start a war with these questions!<br>><br>> Thanks eve=
ryone!<br>> Bruce<br>><br>><br>><br><br>_______________________=
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