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Charlie--
I posted about using a Hella brand switch which is sold by Pegasus racing
amongst others.
People often poo-poo "marine rating" as just a way to charge more for
the same thing with a different label and perhaps this may sometimes be
true. However there are respected brands, Hella being one of them, that
make high-quality stuff for marine environments and though I have never
disassembled one of their switches neither did I ever have one fail in more
than 30 years on my old boat. Usually you will find bronze parts versus
brass, 303,304 or 316 stainless versus the cheap Chinese stuff that usually
produces a lot of surface pitting and corrosion, etc and better sealing to
live in a harsh environment.
Best--Michael Oritt
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 2:06 PM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie@comcast.net>
wrote:
> There have been a couple of references to marine grade switches. For us
> landlubbers, does that mean that it holds up to the weather better with
> less chance of internal corrosion? What do these things look like?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Charlie
> On 3/26/2020 11:40 AM, Alex wrote:
>
> *A few years ago I installed a marine-grade switch on my BT7. I bought it
> from West Marine. Fits nicely and works great!*
>
> *=3D=3D Alex in Maine*
>
> *1960 BT7, 1946 MG-TC*
>
> On 3/26/2020 8:48 AM, Robert Begani wrote:
>
> A Good analysis why the original Healey switch and replacements do not
> work well. May choose to keep the original in a box and buy a Hella, or
> continue to do with out a switch and use a direct ground to the frame.
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>
> <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Michael Oritt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:25 PM
> *To:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com> <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net> <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Master Switch
>
>
>
> For my money (and car) I opted for a high quality marine-grade shutoff
> switch such as that made by Hella and others, sold on the Pegasus site.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:31 PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> My experience with the original Lucas Master switches has been a little
> different.
>
> Many years ago, after having a newly installed NOS switch fail on my own
> car, I discovered that it had failed because the ground cable running fr=
om
> the switch to the frame was not properly installed.
>
> The full starter current must pass through the switch then through the
> cable to ground. When there is resistance in that cable current passes
> through THE SPRING to then ground through the body of the switch and the
> switch mounting bracket.
>
> This high current rapidly overheats the spring and it looses tension
> ruining the switch.
>
> I have disassembled several of these switches to stretch the spring as
> suggested but often found that the brass of the spring had been totally
> annealed as a result of being overheated because of the current that had
> passed through them.
>
> For my own car (and several others since) I made a new spring from coppe=
r
> coated steel welding wire wich lasted until I sold the car many years
> later.
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 9:00 AM John Spaur, <jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> In my experience with the switches they overheat and the spring collapses=
.
>
>
>
> Good to know you have the rivets.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* David Nock [mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:57 AM
> *To:* John Spaur <jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net>; 'Healeys' <
> healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Master Switch
>
>
>
> The number one fault with both the original and the new switch is the
> spring inside looses its tension and you then loose the ground connection=
.
> We have sourced the correct rivets to restore your original battery switc=
h.
>
>
>
> I have also had to take apart the new switches to make them work
> correctly. Simply drill out the rivets. Stretch out the new spring and
> install new rivets.
>
>
>
>
>
> David Nock
> healeydoc@sbcglobal.net
> 209 948 8767
> www.britishcarspecialists.com
>
> Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the
> British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites
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> www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org
>
>
>
> *From:* John Spaur
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:53 PM
>
> *To:* 'Healeys'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Master Switch
>
>
>
> I have tried to post this to the list several times but it keeps bouncing=
.
>
>
>
> The internal part in the reproduction switches is plastic, not Bakelite.
> If your engine is hard to start and you crank it too long the plastic par=
t
> melts and the switch is toast. I rebuilt one recently with the proper
> Bakelite part. However, they are not always interchangeable with the newe=
r
> metal case because the metal case is slightly smaller.
>
>
>
> John
>
> =E2=80=9962 BT7
>
> San Jose, CA
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Charl=
ie--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I posted about using a H=
ella brand switch which is sold by Pegasus racing amongst others.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">People often poo-poo &quo=
t;marine rating" as just a way to charge more for the=C2=A0same thing =
with a different label and perhaps this may sometimes be true.=C2=A0 Howeve=
r there are respected brands, Hella being one of them, that make high-quali=
ty stuff for marine environments and though I have never disassembled one o=
f their switches neither did I ever have one fail in more than 30 years on =
my old boat.=C2=A0 Usually=C2=A0you will find bronze parts versus brass, 30=
3,304 or 316 stainless versus the cheap Chinese stuff that usually produces=
a lot of surface pitting and corrosion, etc and better sealing to live in =
a harsh environment.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color=
:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Be=
st--Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 2:06 PM Charlie Baldwin <=
<a href=3D"mailto:mgcharlie@comcast.net";>mgcharlie@comcast.net</a>> wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div>
<p>There have been a couple of references to marine grade switches.=C2=
=A0
For us landlubbers, does that mean that it holds up to the weather
better with less chance of internal corrosion? What do these
things look like?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Charlie<br>
</p>
<div>On 3/26/2020 11:40 AM, Alex wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<p><b>A few years ago I installed a marine-grade switch on my BT7.
I bought it from West Marine. Fits nicely and works great!</b></p=
>
<p><b>=3D=3D Alex in Maine</b></p>
<p><b>1960 BT7, 1946 MG-TC</b><br>
</p>
<br>
<div>On 3/26/2020 8:48 AM, Robert Begani
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
=20
=20
=20
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:=
Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">A
Good analysis why the original Healey switch and
replacements do not work well.=C2=A0 May choose to keep the
original in a box and buy a Hella, or continue to do with
out a switch and use a direct ground to the frame.<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:=
Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:=
Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Bob
Begani<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:=
Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:hea=
leys-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank"><healeys-bounces@autox.te=
am.net></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Oritt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Salter <a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank"><michaelsalter@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Austin Healey <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.n=
et" target=3D"_blank"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Master Switch<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">F=
or my
money (and car) I opted for a high quality
marine-grade shutoff switch such as that made by Hella
and others, sold on the Pegasus site.<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:31 PM
Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-b=
ottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;m=
argin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My experience with the original
Lucas Master switches has been a little different.=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,s=
ans-serif">Many=C2=A0years
ago, after</span>=C2=A0having a newly installed NOS
switch fail on my own car,=C2=A0I=C2=A0 discovered that=
it had
failed because the ground cable running from the
switch to the frame was not properly=C2=A0installed.=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The full starter current must
pass through the switch then through the cable to
ground. When there is resistance in that cable
current passes through THE SPRING to then ground
through the body of the switch and the switch
mounting bracket.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This high current rapidly
overheats the spring and it looses tension ruining
the switch.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have disassembled several of
these switches to stretch the spring as suggested
but often found that the brass of the spring had
been totally annealed as a result of being
overheated because of the current that had passed
through them.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For my own car (and several
others since)=C2=A0 I made a new spring from copper
coated steel welding wire wich lasted until I sold
the car many years later.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">M<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 9:00 AM
John Spaur, <<a href=3D"mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;bord=
er-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6=
pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73=
,125)">In my experience with
the switches they overheat and the spring
collapses.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73=
,125)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73=
,125)">Good to know you have
the rivets.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73=
,125)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73=
,125)">John</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73=
,125)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-t=
op-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-r=
ight-width:initial;border-bottom-width:initial;border-left-width:initial;bo=
rder-right-color:initial;border-bottom-color:initial;border-left-color:init=
ial">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
David Nock [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:57
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Spaur <<a href=3D"mailto:jms=
darch@sbcglobal.net" target=3D"_blank">jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</a>>;
'Healeys' <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Master Switch<u><=
/u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Century,serif;color:black">The number one
fault with both the original and the new
switch is the spring inside looses its
tension and you then loose the ground
connection. We have sourced the correct
rivets to restore your original battery
switch.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Century,serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Century,serif;color:black">I have also
had to take apart the new switches to
make them work correctly. Simply drill
out the rivets. Stretch out the new
spring and install new rivets.</span><u></u=
><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Century,serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Century,serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Century,serif;color:black">David Nock<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</a><br>
209 948 8767<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists=
.com" target=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><br>
<br>
Help us have our Founder Norman Nock
inducteed into the <br>
British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can
vote for your favorites <br>
by visiting the site at.<br>
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ffame.org" target=3D"_blank">www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org</a></span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"backgroun=
d:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-seri=
f;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Ta=
homa,sans-serif;color:black">
John Spaur </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"backgroun=
d:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-seri=
f;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Ta=
homa,sans-serif;color:black">
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:53 PM</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"backgroun=
d:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-seri=
f;color:black">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Taho=
ma,sans-serif;color:black">
'Healeys' </span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"backgroun=
d:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-seri=
f;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family=
:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">
Re: [Healeys] Master Switch</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(31,73,125)">I have tried to
post this to the list several times but
it keeps bouncing.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(31,73,125)">The internal part
in the reproduction switches is plastic,
not Bakelite. If your engine is hard to
start and you crank it too long the
plastic part melts and the switch is
toast. I rebuilt one recently with the
proper Bakelite part. However, they are
not always interchangeable with the
newer metal case because the metal case
is slightly smaller.</span><u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(31,73,125)">John</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(31,73,125)">=E2=80=9962 BT7</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(31,73,125)">San Jose, CA</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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