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Are 2nd or 4th gears still perquisites ?
M
On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 11:35 a.m. Roger Grace via Healeys, <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Thank you.
> Noise is independent of engine rotating; most apparent with engine off in
> neutral and coasting - in the stillness of no engine noises.
> rg
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Harper <ah100register@gmail.com>
> To: David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com>
> Cc: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>, David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com>,
> healeys@autox team. net <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 03:40:44 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise - Update
>
> David
>
> Is your fan belt in good order. I had one that was 'lumpy' with some cross
> sections being different to others. I had great difficulty working out
> where the vibration came from. In the event it was the car that told me by
> fracturing the dynamo bracket
>
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 03:54, David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, then it is rotational for sure, not a bearing that is failing but
>> perhaps already failed, perhaps allowing the O/D annulus to scrape the
>> surrounding housing...though it did not sound like steel on aluminum to me.
>> You have moved the noise from rear to midway.. perhaps if you haven't,
>> check for a failed motor mount and the crank pulley scraping the cross
>> member?? DP
>>
>>
>> On August 22, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Roger Grace via Healeys <
>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Not a lot of progress...
>>
>> Brake cable is well clear of propshaft and securely clipped.
>>
>> Universal U joint/spline phasing is correct.
>>
>> Been doing lots of listening with stethoscope.
>> With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th when
>> slipping clutch (reduces speed)
>> Assume is the same noise and less distinct because of the engine noise.
>> Not nearly as distinct as when shaft is connected and rear wheels
>> freewheeling in neutral and engine off.
>> Loudest area seems to be rear GB casing near rear bearing.
>> This still does not sound like a bearing to my ears ?
>>
>> Plan to try to get a 2nd expert opinion with younger ears !
>>
>> rg
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com>
>> To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>, 'healeylist' <
>> healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise
>>
>> Drive shaft hitting the handbrake cable when the car is jacked up.
>> Probably
>> will go away when sitting on the ground.
>>
>>
>> David
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>> *From:*Roger Grace via Healeys
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:27 AM
>> *To:*'healeylist'
>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Mystery noise
>>
>> AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 that may or may not be
>> serious.
>> Reluctant to tear out the tranny unnecessarily and then to find it was
>> something simple !
>>
>> Notice it at low speed (probably exists at driving speed but too much
>> wind
>> and engine
>> noise) if shift to neutral and cut ignition to minimize engine
>> and exhaust noise.
>> Noise is pulsating - like a tire with a bad spot but seems to be at
>>
>> prop shaft speed.
>>
>> At first thought that it was at wheel speed and from R side.
>> So changed out the R wheel bearing.
>> No improvement
>>
>> Then while looking below noted that universals had some play.
>> So changed out both universals.
>> Rear brakes not dragging and no binding of wheels.
>> No improvement.
>>
>> Did listening on hoist with others listening too. Consensus was that
>> there
>> was a noise at rear OD area as well as the pulsating one.
>>
>> So pulled annulus in situ and replaced both rear bearings. Quieter but
>> still the pulsating noise while coasting in N.
>>
>> Sound file enclosed is a road test from about 15 MPH then shift to N and
>> cut engine. Tunnel cover off.
>>
>> Able to replicate noise with engine on axle stands but not by turning a
>> rear wheel by hand or with an e motor.
>>
>> Noise does appear to come from transmission.
>>
>> To verify is not diff removed one of the rear seats and noise doesn't
>> appear to be coming from diff area.
>> Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible as need the inertia
>> of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing.
>>
>> About 5k miles ago I changed out the larger OD front bearing (sourced
>> from
>>
>> Moss ... ?) in the OD.
>> OD works fine and transmission shifts and works OK without unusual
>>
>> noises.
>>
>> The pulsating/cyclical nature of the noise baffles me and not consistent
>>
>> with a bearing failure ?
>>
>> Given that it occurs in neutral with no gears meshing it surely is not a
>> bad gear tooth etc.
>> OD not engaged so it is locked so not likely there.
>> Removed gearbox top cover and did inspection - nothing obvious.
>> So to my mind this only leaves the GB rear bearing ?
>> Or maybe a broken circlip or thrust washer and probably on main shaft
>> external to gearbox ?
>> or half shaft ?
>>
>> Any comments/thoughts appreciated from the more experienced
>> among us.
>> Tkx
>> rg
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<div dir=3D"auto">Are 2nd or 4th gears still perquisites ?<div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 11:35 a.m. Roge=
r Grace via Healeys, <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@=
autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>=
<div>Thank you.<br></div><div>Noise is independent of engine rotating; most=
apparent with engine off in neutral and coasting - in the stillness of no =
engine noises.<br></div><div>rg<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div=
>----- Original Message -----<br>From: John Harper <<a href=3D"mailto:ah=
100register@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ah100register@g=
mail.com</a>><br>To: David Porter <<a href=3D"mailto:frogeye@portersc=
ustom.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">frogeye@porterscustom.com</=
a>><br>Cc: Roger Grace <<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">roggrace@telus.net</a>>, David Nock <<=
a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
healeydoc@gmail.com</a>>, healeys@autox team. net <<a href=3D"mailto:=
healeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.=
team.net</a>><br>Sent: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 03:40:44 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject:=
Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise - Update<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">David<div><br></div><div>Is your fan belt in good order.=C2=A0I had one=
that was 'lumpy' with some cross sections being different to other=
s. I had great difficulty=C2=A0working out where the vibration came from. I=
n the event it was the car that told me by fracturing=C2=A0the dynamo brack=
et</div></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 03:54, David Porter <<a href=
=3D"mailto:frogeye@porterscustom.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
frogeye@porterscustom.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Well, then it is rotational for sure, not a =
bearing that is failing but perhaps already failed, perhaps allowing the O/=
D annulus to scrape the surrounding housing...though it did not sound like =
steel on aluminum to me. You have moved the noise from rear to midway.. per=
haps if you haven't, check for a failed motor mount and the crank pulle=
y scraping the cross member??=C2=A0 DP</p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibr=
i" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri" face=3D"Calibri"><b=
r></span></span><div><br></div><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri" face=3D"=
Calibri"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri" face=3D"Calibri">On August 22,=
2020, at 6:46 PM, Roger Grace via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</=
a>> wrote:<br></span></span><div><br></div><div><div><div>Not a lot of p=
rogress...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Brake cable is well clear of propsh=
aft and securely clipped.</div><div><br></div><div>Universal U joint/spline=
phasing is correct.</div><div><br></div><div>Been doing lots of listening =
with stethoscope.<br></div><div>With propshaft disconnected, am able hear n=
oise in 2nd or 4th when slipping clutch (reduces speed)<br></div><div>Assum=
e is the same noise and less distinct because of the engine noise.<br></div=
><div>Not nearly as distinct as when shaft is connected and rear wheels fre=
ewheeling in neutral and engine off.<br></div><div>Loudest area seems to be=
rear GB casing near rear bearing.<br></div><div>This still does not sound =
like a bearing to my ears ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Plan to try to get=
a 2nd expert opinion with younger ears !<br></div><div><br></div><div>rg</=
div></div><div><br></div><div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: David N=
ock <<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">healeydoc@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Roger Grace <<a href=3D"mail=
to:roggrace@telus.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">roggrace@telus.=
net</a>>, 'healeylist' <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.=
net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br=
>Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Myst=
ery noise<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:Century;color:#000000"><div>Drive shaft hitting the handbr=
ake cable when the car is jacked up. Probably <br>will go away when sitting=
on the ground.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;font-family:Century;color:#000000">David <br>Nock<br><a href=3D"ma=
ilto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeydo=
c@sbcglobal.net</a><br>209 948 <br>8767<br><a href=3D"http://www.britishcar=
specialists.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">www.britishcarspecial=
ists.com</a><br><div><br></div>Help us have our Founder Norman <br>Nock ind=
ucteed into the <br>British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for <br>yo=
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le:normal;display:inline"><div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma"><div>=C2=A0</div>=
<div style=3D"background:#f5f5f5"><div><b>From:</b><a title=3D"healeys@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">Roger Grace via Healeys</a><br></div><div><b=
>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:27 AM</div><div><b>To:</b><a title=
=3D"healeys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">'healeylist'</a><br>=
</div><div><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Mystery noise</div></div></div><div>=
=C2=A0</div></div><div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-f=
amily:Calibri;font-weight:normal;color:#000000;font-style:normal;display:in=
line"><div><div>AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 that may or may not =
be <br>serious.</div><div>Reluctant to tear out the tranny unnecessarily an=
d then to find it was <br>something simple !<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div=
>Notice it at low speed (probably exists at driving speed but too much wind=
<br>and engine <br>noise) if shift to neutral and cut ignition to minimize=
engine <br>and exhaust noise.</div><div>Noise is pulsating - like a tire w=
ith a bad spot but seems to be at <br><div><br></div>prop shaft speed.</div=
><div>=C2=A0</div><div>At first thought that it was at wheel speed and from=
R side.</div><div>So changed out the R wheel bearing.</div><div>No improve=
ment</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Then while looking below noted that univers=
als had some play.</div><div>So changed out both universals.</div><div>Rear=
brakes not dragging and no binding of wheels.</div><div>No improvement.</d=
iv><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Did listening on hoist with others listening too. =
Consensus was that there <br>was a noise at rear OD area as well as the pul=
sating one.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>So pulled annulus in situ and replac=
ed both rear bearings. Quieter but <br>still the pulsating noise while coas=
ting in N.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Sound file enclosed is a road test fr=
om about 15 MPH then shift to N and <br>cut engine. Tunnel cover off.<br></=
div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Able to replicate noise with engine on axle stand=
s but not by turning a <br>rear wheel by hand or with an e motor.<br></div>=
<div>=C2=A0</div><div>Noise does appear to come from transmission.<br></div=
><div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>To verify is not diff removed one of the rear s=
eats and noise doesn't <br>appear to be coming from diff area.<br></div=
><div>Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible as need the ine=
rtia <br>of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing.</div></div><div>=C2=A0<=
/div><div>About 5k miles ago I changed out the larger OD front bearing (sou=
rced from <br><div><br></div>Moss ... ?) in the OD.</div><div>OD works fine=
and transmission shifts and works OK without unusual <br><div><br></div>no=
ises.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>The pulsating/cyclical nature of the noise=
baffles me and not consistent <br><div><br></div>with a bearing failure ?<=
/div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Given that it occurs in neutral with no gears me=
shing it surely is not a <br>bad gear tooth etc.<br></div><div>OD not engag=
ed so it is locked so not likely there.<br></div><div>Removed gearbox top c=
over and did inspection - nothing obvious.<br></div><div>So to my mind this=
only leaves the GB rear bearing ?</div><div>Or maybe a broken circlip or t=
hrust washer and probably on main shaft <br>external to gearbox ?<br></div>=
<div>or half shaft ?<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div>Any comments/thoughts apprec=
iated from the more experienced <br>among us. <br><div>Tkx</div><div>rg<br>=
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