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Speedo cable noise? Try disconnecting the speedo cable at the gearbox.
Elton
On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:32 PM Michael Salter via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Are 2nd or 4th gears still perquisites ?
>
> M
>
> On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 11:35 a.m. Roger Grace via Healeys, <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Thank you.
>> Noise is independent of engine rotating; most apparent with engine off in
>> neutral and coasting - in the stillness of no engine noises.
>> rg
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Harper <ah100register@gmail.com>
>> To: David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com>
>> Cc: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>, David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com>,
>> healeys@autox team. net <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 03:40:44 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise - Update
>>
>> David
>>
>> Is your fan belt in good order. I had one that was 'lumpy' with some
>> cross sections being different to others. I had great difficulty working
>> out where the vibration came from. In the event it was the car that told me
>> by fracturing the dynamo bracket
>>
>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 03:54, David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, then it is rotational for sure, not a bearing that is failing but
>>> perhaps already failed, perhaps allowing the O/D annulus to scrape the
>>> surrounding housing...though it did not sound like steel on aluminum to me.
>>> You have moved the noise from rear to midway.. perhaps if you haven't,
>>> check for a failed motor mount and the crank pulley scraping the cross
>>> member?? DP
>>>
>>>
>>> On August 22, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Roger Grace via Healeys <
>>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not a lot of progress...
>>>
>>> Brake cable is well clear of propshaft and securely clipped.
>>>
>>> Universal U joint/spline phasing is correct.
>>>
>>> Been doing lots of listening with stethoscope.
>>> With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th when
>>> slipping clutch (reduces speed)
>>> Assume is the same noise and less distinct because of the engine noise.
>>> Not nearly as distinct as when shaft is connected and rear wheels
>>> freewheeling in neutral and engine off.
>>> Loudest area seems to be rear GB casing near rear bearing.
>>> This still does not sound like a bearing to my ears ?
>>>
>>> Plan to try to get a 2nd expert opinion with younger ears !
>>>
>>> rg
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com>
>>> To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>, 'healeylist' <
>>> healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise
>>>
>>> Drive shaft hitting the handbrake cable when the car is jacked up.
>>> Probably
>>> will go away when sitting on the ground.
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>> Nock
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>>> *From:*Roger Grace via Healeys
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:27 AM
>>> *To:*'healeylist'
>>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Mystery noise
>>>
>>> AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 that may or may not be
>>> serious.
>>> Reluctant to tear out the tranny unnecessarily and then to find it was
>>> something simple !
>>>
>>> Notice it at low speed (probably exists at driving speed but too much
>>> wind
>>> and engine
>>> noise) if shift to neutral and cut ignition to minimize engine
>>> and exhaust noise.
>>> Noise is pulsating - like a tire with a bad spot but seems to be at
>>>
>>> prop shaft speed.
>>>
>>> At first thought that it was at wheel speed and from R side.
>>> So changed out the R wheel bearing.
>>> No improvement
>>>
>>> Then while looking below noted that universals had some play.
>>> So changed out both universals.
>>> Rear brakes not dragging and no binding of wheels.
>>> No improvement.
>>>
>>> Did listening on hoist with others listening too. Consensus was that
>>> there
>>> was a noise at rear OD area as well as the pulsating one.
>>>
>>> So pulled annulus in situ and replaced both rear bearings. Quieter but
>>> still the pulsating noise while coasting in N.
>>>
>>> Sound file enclosed is a road test from about 15 MPH then shift to N and
>>> cut engine. Tunnel cover off.
>>>
>>> Able to replicate noise with engine on axle stands but not by turning a
>>> rear wheel by hand or with an e motor.
>>>
>>> Noise does appear to come from transmission.
>>>
>>> To verify is not diff removed one of the rear seats and noise doesn't
>>> appear to be coming from diff area.
>>> Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible as need the
>>> inertia
>>> of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing.
>>>
>>> About 5k miles ago I changed out the larger OD front bearing (sourced
>>> from
>>>
>>> Moss ... ?) in the OD.
>>> OD works fine and transmission shifts and works OK without unusual
>>>
>>> noises.
>>>
>>> The pulsating/cyclical nature of the noise baffles me and not consistent
>>>
>>> with a bearing failure ?
>>>
>>> Given that it occurs in neutral with no gears meshing it surely is not a
>>> bad gear tooth etc.
>>> OD not engaged so it is locked so not likely there.
>>> Removed gearbox top cover and did inspection - nothing obvious.
>>> So to my mind this only leaves the GB rear bearing ?
>>> Or maybe a broken circlip or thrust washer and probably on main shaft
>>> external to gearbox ?
>>> or half shaft ?
>>>
>>> Any comments/thoughts appreciated from the more experienced
>>> among us.
>>> Tkx
>>> rg
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Speedo cable noise? Try disconnecting the speedo cable at =
the gearbox.<div>Elton</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:32 PM Michael Salte=
r via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.t=
eam.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Are 2nd or 4th gears still perquisites ?<div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 11:35 =
a.m. Roger Grace via Healeys, <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"=
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Thank you.<br></div><div=
>Noise is independent of engine rotating; most apparent with engine off in =
neutral and coasting - in the stillness of no engine noises.<br></div><div>=
rg<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>----- Original Message -----=
<br>From: John Harper <<a href=3D"mailto:ah100register@gmail.com"; rel=3D=
"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ah100register@gmail.com</a>><br>To: David=
Porter <<a href=3D"mailto:frogeye@porterscustom.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer"=
target=3D"_blank">frogeye@porterscustom.com</a>><br>Cc: Roger Grace <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>roggrace@telus.net</a>>, David Nock <<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gma=
il.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@gmail.com</a>>, h=
ealeys@autox team. net <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D=
"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Sun,=
23 Aug 2020 03:40:44 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise -=
Update<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">David<div><br></div><div>I=
s your fan belt in good order.=C2=A0I had one that was 'lumpy' with=
some cross sections being different to others. I had great difficulty=C2=
=A0working out where the vibration came from. In the event it was the car t=
hat told me by fracturing=C2=A0the dynamo bracket</div></div><div><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 2=
3 Aug 2020 at 03:54, David Porter <<a href=3D"mailto:frogeye@porterscust=
om.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">frogeye@porterscustom.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p di=
r=3D"ltr">Well, then it is rotational for sure, not a bearing that is faili=
ng but perhaps already failed, perhaps allowing the O/D annulus to scrape t=
he surrounding housing...though it did not sound like steel on aluminum to =
me. You have moved the noise from rear to midway.. perhaps if you haven'=
;t, check for a failed motor mount and the crank pulley scraping the cross =
member??=C2=A0 DP</p><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri" face=3D"Calibri"><=
span style=3D"font-family:Calibri" face=3D"Calibri"><br></span></span><div>=
<br></div><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=
=3D"font-family:Calibri" face=3D"Calibri">On August 22, 2020, at 6:46 PM, R=
oger Grace via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D=
"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></s=
pan></span><div><br></div><div><div><div>Not a lot of progress...<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div>Brake cable is well clear of propshaft and securely cli=
pped.</div><div><br></div><div>Universal U joint/spline phasing is correct.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Been doing lots of listening with stethoscope.<br=
></div><div>With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th w=
hen slipping clutch (reduces speed)<br></div><div>Assume is the same noise =
and less distinct because of the engine noise.<br></div><div>Not nearly as =
distinct as when shaft is connected and rear wheels freewheeling in neutral=
and engine off.<br></div><div>Loudest area seems to be rear GB casing near=
rear bearing.<br></div><div>This still does not sound like a bearing to my=
ears ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Plan to try to get a 2nd expert opinio=
n with younger ears !<br></div><div><br></div><div>rg</div></div><div><br><=
/div><div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: David Nock <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:healeydoc@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@g=
mail.com</a>><br>To: Roger Grace <<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.ne=
t" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>>, 'he=
aleylist' <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2=
020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise<br></div><=
div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Cen=
tury;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>Drive shaft hitting the handbrake cable when th=
e car is jacked up. Probably <br>will go away when sitting on the ground.</=
div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)">David <br>Nock<br><a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc=
@sbcglobal.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@sbcglobal.ne=
t</a><br>209 948 <br>8767<br><a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.co=
m" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><b=
r><div><br></div>Help us have our Founder Norman <br>Nock inducteed into th=
e <br>British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for <br>your favorites <=
br>by visiting the site <br>at.<br><a href=3D"http://www.britishsportscarha=
lloffame.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">www.britishsportscarhall=
offame.org</a><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;=
font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;d=
isplay:inline"><div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma"><div>=C2=A0</div><div style=
=3D"background:rgb(245,245,245)"><div><b>From:</b><a title=3D"healeys@autox=
.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">Roger Grace via Healeys</a><br></div><div><b>=
Sent:</b> Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:27 AM</div><div><b>To:</b><a title=
=3D"healeys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">'healeylist'</a><br>=
</div><div><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Mystery noise</div></div></div><div>=
=C2=A0</div></div><div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-f=
amily:Calibri;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display=
:inline"><div><div>AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 that may or may n=
ot be <br>serious.</div><div>Reluctant to tear out the tranny unnecessarily=
and then to find it was <br>something simple !<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><=
div>Notice it at low speed (probably exists at driving speed but too much w=
ind <br>and engine <br>noise) if shift to neutral and cut ignition to minim=
ize engine <br>and exhaust noise.</div><div>Noise is pulsating - like a tir=
e with a bad spot but seems to be at <br><div><br></div>prop shaft speed.</=
div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>At first thought that it was at wheel speed and f=
rom R side.</div><div>So changed out the R wheel bearing.</div><div>No impr=
ovement</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Then while looking below noted that univ=
ersals had some play.</div><div>So changed out both universals.</div><div>R=
ear brakes not dragging and no binding of wheels.</div><div>No improvement.=
</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Did listening on hoist with others listening to=
o. Consensus was that there <br>was a noise at rear OD area as well as the =
pulsating one.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>So pulled annulus in situ and rep=
laced both rear bearings. Quieter but <br>still the pulsating noise while c=
oasting in N.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Sound file enclosed is a road test=
from about 15 MPH then shift to N and <br>cut engine. Tunnel cover off.<br=
></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Able to replicate noise with engine on axle st=
ands but not by turning a <br>rear wheel by hand or with an e motor.<br></d=
iv><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Noise does appear to come from transmission.<br></=
div><div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>To verify is not diff removed one of the rea=
r seats and noise doesn't <br>appear to be coming from diff area.<br></=
div><div>Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible as need the =
inertia <br>of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing.</div></div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><div>About 5k miles ago I changed out the larger OD front bearing =
(sourced from <br><div><br></div>Moss ... ?) in the OD.</div><div>OD works =
fine and transmission shifts and works OK without unusual <br><div><br></di=
v>noises.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>The pulsating/cyclical nature of the n=
oise baffles me and not consistent <br><div><br></div>with a bearing failur=
e ?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Given that it occurs in neutral with no gear=
s meshing it surely is not a <br>bad gear tooth etc.<br></div><div>OD not e=
ngaged so it is locked so not likely there.<br></div><div>Removed gearbox t=
op cover and did inspection - nothing obvious.<br></div><div>So to my mind =
this only leaves the GB rear bearing ?</div><div>Or maybe a broken circlip =
or thrust washer and probably on main shaft <br>external to gearbox ?<br></=
div><div>or half shaft ?<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div>Any comments/thoughts ap=
preciated from the more experienced <br>among us. <br><div>Tkx</div><div>rg=
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