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Re: [Healeys] Toyota 5-speed Shifter bushing

To: richard mayor <boyracer466@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Toyota 5-speed Shifter bushing
From: jim via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 18:17:13 +0000 (UTC)
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 =C2=A0Ha=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 well then, thanks for all that anyway.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Just thought it might be a handy reference
Jim

    On Monday, October 26, 2020, 8:40:45 AM PDT, richard mayor <boyracer466=
@gmail.com> wrote: =20
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 First, the free play and clutch pedal travel on my race car with Toyota 5 =
speed won't help you.=C2=A0 I have a Tilton 7-1/4" two plate racing clutch =
with an annular hydraulic throw out bearing.
Secondly, the Nissan transmission swap in the other Healey was relatively e=
asy because it is still connected to the Nissan motor.=C2=A0 Please look ag=
ain carefully at the photo of my engine.=C2=A0 It's out of a Datsun 280Z .

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 6:26 PM jim <ab7vf@yahoo.com> wrote:

No big deal ...BUT would you be willing/able to measure both free play and =
total clutch pedal travel on your wee beastie?
and do you have more info on the Nissan transmission swap?
Thanks, Jim

    On Sunday, October 25, 2020, 5:47:47 PM PDT, richard mayor <boyracer466=
@gmail.com> wrote: =20
=20
 Yeah.=C2=A0 I sometimes forget which Japanese transmission I'm thinking ab=
out.=C2=A0 This Healey of mine has a Nissan 5 speed.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:58 PM jim <ab7vf@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Couple o' things ...Nissan parts department is VERY unlikely to have any p=
arts for a Toyota=20


Assuming that this is related to your earlier post on the same subject ..My=
 only experience does involve a Nissan--1993 pickup manual trans..the manua=
l sez Clutch Pedal Height (amount of throw > how far the pedal travels from=
 top to bottom is 9,29 to 9.69 inches ...(227-327 mm)...the amount of "free=
 play" is listed as .039 to .059 inches (1-1.5 mm) essentially zero free pl=
ay...One would further assume that Smitty Conversion folks would have some =
sort of spec as regards to throw and free play...still sounds to me like th=
e clutch is dragging/not being fully disengaged...means input shaft still r=
otating ...
as a for instance, when engine off, car sitting can you select any/all gear=
s without binding or excessive force? ...
try this...start engine, depress clutch ..put ear on gear shift ...Noise? g=
ear rotation sounds?=C2=A0 Whining? ...all would indicate input shaft rotat=
ing ...




Jim

    On Saturday, Octob(er 24, 2020, 7:46:17 PM PDT, i erbs via Healeys <hea=
leys@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 they do break apart and drop bits into the gearbox. replace it now....
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 1:58 PM richard mayor via Healeys <healeys@autox.team=
.net> wrote:

Michael,
The bushing on the lower end of the shifter is plastic. I have worn out a c=
ouple of them. It is the same bushing on both the W58 and W59 transmissions=
. The Nissan parts department should know exactly what you need and have on=
e (or more) on the shelf.=C2=A0 You don't need a part number.=20

Richard

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 12:43 PM Michael Oritt via Healeys <healeys@autox.t=
eam.net> wrote:

I have a Smitty's five-speed=C2=A0conversion in my 100 which has about 60K =
miles on it.=C2=A0 I believe, but am not certain it is the=C2=A0W58 version=
.
It has recently become difficult to engage any gear (1 to 5 and R) from neu=
tral.=C2=A0 The clutch is engaging/disengaging properly and the transmissio=
n is full of Redline MT90.=C2=A0 The amount of effort to get into any of th=
e gears does not change at speed or whether the car is hot or cold.
I am suspecting/hoping there is a bushing at the base of the shift lever th=
at has become worn and in fact a dose of WD40 into the top=C2=A0of the towe=
r made shifting a bit easier.
I don't want to show up at the Toyota parts counter only to be turned away =
for lack of a part number and am hoping someone might have it.
TIA--Michael Oritt





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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">&nbsp;Ha&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; well then, thanks for all that anyway.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Just thought =
it might be a handy reference</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jim<br></div><div><br></div=
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                    On Monday, October 26, 2020, 8:40:45 AM PDT, richard ma=
yor &lt;boyracer466@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>First, the free play and clutch pedal travel on my race car with =
Toyota 5 speed won't help you.&nbsp; I have a Tilton 7-1/4" two plate racin=
g clutch with an annular hydraulic throw out bearing.</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div>Secondly, the Nissan transmission swap in the other He=
aley was relatively easy because it is still connected to the Nissan motor.=
&nbsp; Please look again carefully at the photo of my engine.&nbsp; It's ou=
t of a Datsun 280Z .<br clear=3D"none"></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div =
class=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381yqt0720155259" id=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792=
381yqt96705"><div class=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381gmail_quote"><div class=
=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at=
 6:26 PM jim &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:ab7vf@yahoo.com"; rel=3D"n=
ofollow" target=3D"_blank">ab7vf@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"=
></div><blockquote class=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, san=
s-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div><div>No big deal ...BUT would you be wi=
lling/able to measure both free play and total clutch pedal travel on your =
wee beastie?</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">and do you=
 have more info on the Nissan transmission swap?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br =
clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, Jim<br clear=3D"none"></div><=
div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381gmail-m_142253155331317333=
5ydp12ca181ayahoo_quoted_3807819128">
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e:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42);">
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                    On Sunday, October 25, 2020, 5:47:47 PM PDT, richard ma=
yor &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:boyracer466@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank">boyracer466@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381gmail-m_14225315533=
13173335ydp12ca181ayiv7777877132"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah.&nbsp; I somet=
imes forget which Japanese transmission I'm thinking about.&nbsp; This Heal=
ey of mine has a Nissan 5 speed.<br clear=3D"none"></div><br clear=3D"none"=
><div id=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381gmail-m_1422531553313173335ydp12ca181ay=
iv7777877132yqt07134"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:58 P=
M jim &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:ab7vf@yahoo.com"; rel=3D"nofollow=
" target=3D"_blank">ab7vf@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue,=
 Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Couple o' things ...Nissan parts department is VER=
Y unlikely to have any parts for a Toyota <br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Assuming that this is related to your earlier post on the=
 same subject ..My only experience does involve a Nissan--1993 pickup manua=
l trans..the manual sez Clutch Pedal Height (amount of throw &gt; how far t=
he pedal travels from top to bottom is 9,29 to 9.69 inches ...(227-327 mm).=
..the amount of "free play" is listed as .039 to .059 inches (1-1.5 mm) ess=
entially zero free play...One would further assume that Smitty Conversion f=
olks would have some sort of spec as regards to throw and free play...still=
 sounds to me like the clutch is dragging/not being fully disengaged...mean=
s input shaft still rotating ...</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">as a for instance, when engine off, car sitting can y=
ou select any/all gears without binding or excessive force? ...</div><div><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">try this...start engine, depress c=
lutch ..put ear on gear shift ...Noise? gear rotation sounds?&nbsp; Whining=
? ...all would indicate input shaft rotating ...<br clear=3D"none"></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jim<br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381gmail-m_142253155331317333=
5ydp12ca181ayiv7777877132gmail-m_-316987721168265699ydp8eba5d5byahoo_quoted=
_4119064904">
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e:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42);">
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                    On Saturday, Octob(er 24, 2020, 7:46:17 PM PDT, i erbs =
via Healeys &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381gmail-m_14225315533=
13173335ydp12ca181ayiv7777877132gmail-m_-316987721168265699ydp8eba5d5byiv52=
59005325"><div><div>they do break apart and drop bits into the gearbox. rep=
lace it now....</div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div id=3D"ydp8840535fyiv97057=
92381gmail-m_1422531553313173335ydp12ca181ayiv7777877132gmail-m_-3169877211=
68265699ydp8eba5d5byiv5259005325yqtfd41795"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Oct 24=
, 2020, 1:58 PM richard mayor via Healeys &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mai=
lto:healeys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">healeys@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div></div><blockquote style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex;"><div id=3D"ydp8840535fyiv9705792381gmail-m_1422531553313173335y=
dp12ca181ayiv7777877132gmail-m_-316987721168265699ydp8eba5d5byiv5259005325y=
qtfd79541"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Michael,</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></di=
v><div>The bushing on the lower end of the shifter is plastic. I have worn =
out a couple of them. It is the same bushing on both the W58 and W59 transm=
issions. The Nissan parts department should know exactly what you need and =
have one (or more) on the shelf.&nbsp; You don't need a part number. <br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Richard<br clear=3D"n=
one"></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Oct 24, 2=
020 at 12:43 PM Michael Oritt via Healeys &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mai=
lto:healeys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">healeys@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255);">I have a Smitty's=
 five-speed&nbsp;conversion in my 100 which has about 60K miles on it.&nbsp=
; I believe, but am not certain it is the&nbsp;W58 version.</div><div style=
=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255);"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"color:rgb=
(51,51,255);">It has recently become difficult to engage any gear (1 to 5 a=
nd R) from neutral.&nbsp; The clutch is engaging/disengaging properly and t=
he transmission is full of Redline MT90.&nbsp; The amount of effort to get =
into any of the gears does not change at speed or whether the car is hot or=
 cold.</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255);"><br clear=3D"none"></div><=
div style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255);">I am suspecting/hoping there is a bushi=
ng at the base of the shift lever that has become worn and in fact a dose o=
f WD40 into the top&nbsp;of the tower made shifting a bit easier.</div><div=
 style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255);"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"col=
or:rgb(51,51,255);">I don't want to show up at the Toyota parts counter onl=
y to be turned away for lack of a part number and am hoping someone might h=
ave it.</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255);"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255);">TIA--Michael Oritt</div><div style=3D"=
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