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Re: V8 Musings Expense & alternatives

To: wizardz <wizardz@maxinter.net>
Subject: Re: V8 Musings Expense & alternatives
From: Tim Nagy <nagy@duq.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:26:35 -0400
Are you referring tothe company out of autralia?  www.hi-flow.com?

Tim

wizardz wrote:
> 
> Hey All,
> for the price of the engine and ancillaries, and knuckle skin and time 
>invested...
> it's cheaper in $US to BOLT ON  a supercharger. (Kits are avail.)
> Yes a reasonable condition engine, otherwise totally stock
> is capable of putting out 180BHP without excessive wear and tear.
> Maybe a newer MBGV8 drive shaft (heavier u-joints) and heavy duty clutch is 
>all that's needed.
> Add a cam and some porting and 200 BHP is not impossible or improbable.
> and you'd have one heck of a sleeper!
> 
> I for one have been in contact with a supplier to try and become a US 
>disrtibutor
> for their BOLT ON complete kits.
> 
> Paul Tegler
> 1973 BGT - Daily Driver
> 1975 Spitfire -in Cherry Shape     1980 Spitfire  w/  O/D - in re-hab
> email: wizardz@toad.net        http://www.teglerizer.com
> Follow 'Projects' for MG and Triumph stuff)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WSpohn4@aol.com <WSpohn4@aol.com>
> To: mgs@autox.team.net <mgs@autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:28 AM
> Subject: V8 Musings
> 
> The purists need not read on nor comment - I can sympathise with the
> sentiments that have you view engine swaps with distaste, and in fact agree
> that it is a shame to do such things to cars like MGAs, which are now scarce
> and merit better treatment - I am talking here about swaps into MGBs,
> originally a half million potential donors, and arguably no loss if a few go
> the engine swap route.  I would add that as the best candidates for a swap
> are the early cars, without the unfortunate suspension foibles of the Rubber
> Ducky set, and as the early ones are now starting to be a little thin on the
> ground, we will reach a point, some day, where the objections to using up a
> nice early car for such a project must be taken seriously.
> 
> In any case, I was wondering about the common choice of the BOP V8 as an
> engine for such swaps.  I understand that there are some things in favour of
> such a choice - the factory did it on the BGT, so there is precedent, and the
> techniques are well known, so it  is a less scary road for the tyro swapper.
> 
> In fact, though, aside from the weight, the BOP engine isn't that hot a
> choice, for several reasons. The output per litre is low (I know that they
> quoted 200 old gross bhp - do you have any idea what that equates to in
> modern terms?), unless you tune the engines, or locate a later version. The
> Rover SD1 versions are pretty scarce, and the injected engines don't lend
> themselves to tuning. The better versions developed by TVR, larger and with
> higher output, are likely almost impossible to locate and expensive if you
> can. Which leaves you with the original BOP versions, back before Rover spent
> all that money refining them and fixing some of the problems they had. Not
> the best of all choices, IMHO.
> 
> There is no shortage of rather interesting donor vehicles out there, if you
> don't mind looking beyond the Rover. Many of the current Japanese stuff,
> going back a decade or so, if need be, is compact and has excellent power
> outputs - the carbon/kevlar bodied MGA coupe/choptop that was for sale a few
> years ago used a Toyota DOHC 4 cylinder - great stuff if you want 25 more bhp
> and another 1000 rpm on tap.
> 
> The Honda VTEC engines are very interesting - the new one putting out 240 bhp
> in a sports car is just the latest example - how would you like that in a
> 2000 lb car instead of the 27-2800 lb vehicle that they installed it in?
> 
> If you want to go bigger, or more American, there are several decent,
> somewhat old tech V6 motors around, including the 3.8 Buick, and even better,
> the little 60 degree 2.8 to 3.4 GM range. I use one of these in my Fiero,
> fairly highly modified and turboed, putting out around 300 bhp - imagine that
> in a 'B'. And the block on the V6 is no longer than the MGB block.
> 
> If you attempt a new style of engine, you needn't be scared by the
> electronics. You can get a used engine complete with ECM (computer) and
> senders and you just have to make sure that all the senders get hooked up or
> tricked into thinking they are.  You get the advantages of modern technology
> (you can even get an ECM that is customisable, and programmable from a
> laptop), with the attendant better running and lower gas consumption.
> 
> I just thought I'd mention the possibilities and perhaps get a few people
> that might be thinking about swaps to examine some other possibilities,
> rather than automatically taking the well travelled road.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill Spohn

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