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Re: HIF vs Zenith Carbs

To: Bob Howard <mgbob@juno.com>
Subject: Re: HIF vs Zenith Carbs
From: ted anderson <wa2mgb@optonline.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:10:32 -0500
Bob:
My 78 had all of the emission equiptment removed by the previous owner.  He
was also the "master mind" behind the Zenith to HIF  switch.   Fortunately,
at 25 years old I was able to register it as a "Historic" vehicle thus she
is except from auto inspection here in NJ.  This also permitted me to pick
up full coverage "antique" insurance from a nice outfit that did not have a
miles per year limitation.  Nice!

I just had the HIF rebuilt and the valves adjusted (rebuilt head by former
owner) and she's doing fine.  I find it amazing all the waves, beeps,
smiles, and ocassional flirts the vehicles seems to produce.  Best 2800.  I
ever spent.

Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Howard" <mgbob@juno.com>
To: <wa2mgb@optonline.net>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: HIF vs Zenith Carbs


>    Congratulations. The 78 is a good car; MG worked out by 1978 the
> problems it created by raising the car to meet the US standards and
> increasing its  weight with the rubber bumpers.
>    Changing back to the HIF carbs is a good thing too.  The ZS carb
> wasn't that bad---but the engine did suffer from poor manifold design and
> emissions strangulation, and the the older HIF carbs would refit to
> benefit performance. While your car may not now pass emissions with the
> test-at-idle test used in 1978, it will pass today's
> rolling-on-treadmill-at-35 mph test that we use here in CT, and will pass
> easily.  A poor test used then caused MG and many other manufacturers to
> adapt a teach-to-test approach rather than an overall clean air approach.
>  We're wiser now, 20 years later.
>    Yes, they are single-barrel, in the sense that there is only one
> venturi.  The Brits tended to use two singles while Americans used one
> two-barrel.  For an inline engine, the two singles do work better.   An
> alternative often found on MGBs is a single Weber, but with some pretty
> elegant intake manifolding.
>   Why two?  It's not that one can't supply the air/fuel mix, but rather
> that if you stand at side of engine and imagine the air flow in and out,
> you will see that the air flows from front carb pretty directly into
> cylinders 1 and 2, and from rear carb into 3 and 4.
>   I suspect that there is an economic reason too, that being that labor
> costs in USA are historicly higher in relation to parts costs, so
> Americans tend to do simpler labor fittings with more expensive parts.
> F'rinstance, in US we adapted automatic chokes early on. The assembly
> line guy could just bolt on a complete assembly carb, rather than bolting
> on a carb, fastening on a cable clamp, snaking a wire, hooking cable to
> dash, etc.
>    You will like the HIFs. They seem complicated, but they really do make
> a lot of sense and once you get the hang of them you will find them quite
> fine units.
> Bob
> '72 GT  (with two HIFs)
> '52 TD  (with two HSs)
>
> On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:28:00 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) theodore
> anderson <wa2mgb@optonline.net> writes:
> > Hi:
> > I  recently became the proud owner of a 78 MGB.   My mechanic
> > informed me
> > that the original carb was a Zenith Stromberg and that  alterations
> > had been
> >  performed so that the configuration is a pair of SU  HIF  carbs.
> >
> > Dumb questions:
> > 1.  Is this change a good thing?
> > 2.  Are these single barrell carbs?
> > 3.  Why would two carbs be desirable on a 1800cc    engine?
> >
> > By the way, the whole  car runs great.  Amazing what you can buy off
> > eBay.
> >
> > Ted

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