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Re: [Mgs] Mode of failure for ignition coil

To: david_breneman@yahoo.com,mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mode of failure for ignition coil
From: Barney Gaylord <barneymg@mgaguru.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:25:56 -0500
At 05:01 PM 9/13/2008 -0700, David Breneman wrote:
>.... got about 200 feet up the driveway and the engine just 
>died.  .... like you'd turned off the key.  No spark.

Good start.  That narrows it down to an ignition problem.

>I'm suspecting it's the coil because there is no spark when you 
>separate the points (indicating a shorted condenser, yes?),

Maybe.  It is unusual for a condenser to short out instantly.  When 
it was working, a condenser will usually go from bad to worse in 10 
minutes or so, getting to the point where it has no power and 
backfires so bad you cannot drive it.  But usually not instantly dead.

>there is pulsed 12V going into the low-voltage winding,

If it is pulsing that means the points are opening and closing, and 
the condenser is not shorted out.  It also means there is a complete 
circuit through the primary winding of the coil, not open circuit.

>and nothing coming out of the high voltage winding.

(No spark).

>The high voltage side reads 9K Ohms

Close enough.

>and the low voltage side reads dead short.

Not good.  Primary winding should measure about 3.2 ohms (or a little 
lower for a high energy coil).  You need a low resistance range on 
the ohm meter to measure this.  Disconnect wire(s) on one of the 
primary terminals and measure resistance again.  If it is dead short 
(0 ohms), the coil is toast.

>Is it common for a coil to just "up and die" this way with no 
>warning?  It's a Lucas DLB-101.  ....
>....

Not so likely, but possible.  Coils also usually fail in a progresive 
mode, producing progressively weaker spark until it won't run.  A 
failing coil will commonly be temperature sensitive, failing when hot 
but possibly recovering when cool.

Review trouble shoting here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/ig106.htm
Testing coil here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/ig108.htm

With good condenser you should get 1/4-inch blue spark in open air.
With bad condenser (open circuit) you might get 1/32-inch orange spark.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com
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