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Re: [Mgs] Silly error.

To: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Silly error.
From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:49:38 -0400
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  The owner said that it was running well when put away last fall. I don=E2=80=
=99t know the status of his distributor, so will do the tests you suggested.=
 TF distributor access is not as convenient as TD, so he could well have for=
gotten the oiling locations in it. =20
  That=E2=80=99s a good DPO story about the Biro spring found in GT6.=20
  Several in our club have bought the Pertronix distributors and say they wo=
rk well. It was the little Pertronix unit that I installed in my MGB when it=
s shaft bushings were worn, and that the owner has in this TF. =20
 The owner=E2=80=99s commitments keep him from working on the problem until S=
unday. I am eager to get the engine running, as this is a nicely done car.
Bob


> On Jun 14, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com> w=
rote:
>=20
>    I wrote earlier but will repeat it here. Put your timing light on the #=
1 plug wire and observe the timing mark. Is it steady at idle? If not, the p=
roblem is probably in your distributor. When I rebuilt the distributor in my=
 GT6, I discovered that someone had replaced one of the advance springs with=
 a modified ball point pen (biro) spring! But even with new correct springs,=
 the idle timing jumped around.
>    I verified that the distributor shaft bushings were not worn. That is, n=
o shaft wobble. However, the pivot shafts and holes in the advance mechanism=
 were worn, allowing the weights to move on their own, and thus the timing, b=
ut only at idle. Once spun up against the stops, the timing was constant.
>    I found the same wear problem in both my TR3b and TD! Pertronix distrib=
utors fixed the problem and let me set a smooth, constant slow idle. The OEM=
 distributors are boxed up for the next owners.
>=20
> Rick
>=20
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019, 7:24 AM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:=

>>    Thanks for this idea, and for introducing Laboratory Grease. Unknown t=
o me, I found it on Amazon for $6.75 the one ounce container.  That will be a=
 handy addition to the first-aid kit I keep.
>>   Fortunately, this engine=E2=80=99s carb shafts are snug. Carbs were reb=
uilt 10 years, 2500 miles ago, so the problem is not their shafts.=20
>>   I look forward to spending some time with it this weekend.
>> Bob
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Jun 14, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>=
 wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Hans wrote,
>>>=20
>>> > When checking the carbs, also verify any play on the butterfly shafts.=

>>>=20
>>>    So important. Here's a trick, a Bandaid or plaster if you will, to ge=
t you by if costly rebuilds are not an option. Fixing worn throttle shaft bo=
res with new bushings is a serious repair, and the correct way to fix the va=
cuum leak. However, the following short term solution is to address the symp=
tom, not the problem.
>>>=20
>>>    Disassemble all the linkage at the carburetors. Purchase a few felt w=
ashers the size of the throttle shafts or a little smaller, and a tube of la=
boratory vacuum grease, the stuff they use to seal vacuum leaks in laborator=
y glassware. Saturate the felt washers with vacuum grease as well as the sha=
fts where they exit the carb body and slide the greased washers up against t=
he body. Place a flat washer on the shaft and reassemble the linkage, pressi=
ng the flat washer gently against the felt washer. The flat washer and linka=
ge will hold the greased felt washer in place and the vacuum grease will sea=
l the vacuum leak!
>>>=20
>>>    Vacuum grease is made to withstand a bit of heat but also, to not 'mi=
grate'. It will stay in place rather than get sucked into the carb's choke l=
ike regular grease would do (once hot). The felt washer also helps.
>>>=20
>>>    Yes, this is a temporary fix, not a proper repair. But it is also a $=
10 temporary fix, not a $500 repair.=20
>>>=20
>>>    A final word. Take care to reinstall the air chamber covers correctly=
 (Not interchanged!) and verify that the air pistons drop freely on to the b=
ridge with the dampers removed. Tighten the cover screws evenly working arou=
nd the carb until they are snug.
>>>=20
>>> Good luck! You're on the right track.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Rick
>>>=20
>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019, 2:16 AM Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> wro=
te:
>>>> Good show Bob!
>>>>=20
>>>> When checking the carbs, also verify any play on the butterfly shafts.
>>>>=20
>>>> Especially at lower revs play causes false air taken into the carb, wit=
h bad low speed driving as a result.
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>=20
>>>> Hans
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Van: Robert's New iPad [mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com]=20
>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 14 juni 2019 0:21
>>>> Aan: Richard Lindsay
>>>> CC: Hans Duinhoven; mgs@autox.team.net List
>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Silly error.
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>>    Sunday afternoon is our project day. I want to remove the tops of fl=
oat chambers again, the covers and pistons, and to try a bit of compressed a=
ir on the jet to see if that will dislodge anything in the passage.  If not,=
 we can drop the jets out, but that is awkward on a TF, with its side panels=
 diabolically placed to make any carb work difficult.
>>>>=20
>>>>    It was this same friend who talked me into a Pertronix for my MGB, a=
fter he had installed them in this TF and his MGA.   I did, and it improved t=
he inaccurate timing quite a bit. A couple of years later, I sent the distri=
butor to Advanced Distributors. Jeff wanted to know about the engine, its co=
mpression, camshaft, porting, polishing, etc, then curved the distributor to=
 fit.  This engine runs very well now. Though he is not 100% sold on the Per=
tronix, I keep it because setting dwell of the MGB is not as easy as in TD. =
=20
>>>>=20
>>>>   Fuel, air, spark=E2=80=94we are working to get them all in proper pro=
portion.
>>>>=20
>>>> Bob
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com=
> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> Keep cleaning Bob. :-)
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> My TD and TR3b both had idle instability problems AND the higher speed i=
ssues. I ended up putting Pertronix distributors in both cars and they ran f=
antastic! The slow idle was perfect.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> So check the timing with a timing light to see if it is stable.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 1:51 PM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>>>>=20
>>>>   Good on both of you.
>>>>=20
>>>>   Yesterday was an interesting day for me. Went out as passenger with a=
 friend in his TF, stored a year or so.  It ran out of go at 2500 rpm, sputt=
ering, bucking, etc, but would smooth out at 2000. =20
>>>>=20
>>>>   Back at the garage, found the strangest stuff in the float chambers. O=
ne had a teaspoon of large chunks of solid material. The other had some of t=
hat, plus a goo that looked like frog-egg liquid. =20
>>>>=20
>>>>   The goo was easy enough to figure out, but as the chunks are far larg=
er than would pass through the SU carb banjo filters, the SU pump filter, th=
e additional filter he has in line, and the original screen filter in the ta=
nk, it was a puzzle.  We could check banjo, pump and additional filter-none h=
ad any grit or sediment.=20
>>>>=20
>>>>   Pump delivers the pint/minute quantity that workshop manual says.
>>>>=20
>>>>   Engine runs better, but not much. I suspect that some of the sediment=
 is in the passage from float chamber to the jet, but we ran out of day yest=
erday.
>>>>=20
>>>> Bob
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.ne=
t> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>    Good work Hans! I too had a successful day at the shop. I replaced i=
n two bolts in the waterpump housing and the leak is gone! We brought the en=
gine up to temperature with (up to) 13# coolant pressure, and no leaks.
>>>>=20
>>>>    I also found a small fuel leak at the intake of the fuel pump. A cou=
ple of spannet twists put that right and dry. With that, we made a few laps a=
round the shop and all was still well.
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Rick
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:58 AM Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> wr=
ote:
>>>>=20
>>>> Funny =E2=80=93 I solved coolant issues earlier and yesterday.
>>>>=20
>>>> Had to replace the thermostat housing gasket and yesterday I had to rep=
lace the hose connecting the bottom radiator pipe to the waterpump.
>>>>=20
>>>> A horrible job to do, as there is almost no space to work at the bottom=
 of the radiator pipe.
>>>>=20
>>>> Nut with a dry result!
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Fully cleaned a clogged charcoal filter and renewed the charcoal partic=
les.
>>>>=20
>>>> Replaced the oil filler cap and will renew the brake fluid tomorrow.
>>>>=20
>>>> Then the GT should be roadworthy again.
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>=20
>>>> Hans
>>>>=20
>>>> 71 BGT NRG -
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay via=
 Mgs
>>>> Verzonden: woensdag 12 juni 2019 18:51
>>>> Aan: mgs@autox.team.net List
>>>> Onderwerp: [Mgs] Silly error.
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi Friends,
>>>>=20
>>>>    My TR6 rebuilt engine leaks coolant. Okay, its not an MG but the iss=
ue is universal. Here's the short story.
>>>>=20
>>>>    When reassembling the waterpump I made a newbie error. I got in a hu=
rry and left out two bolts, some of the bolts that hold the pump body to the=
 head. The coolant leak is through one of those bolt holes. The threaded hol=
e drilling entered the head's water jacket and of course, leaks.
>>>>=20
>>>>    I now have new bolts and I will apply sealant to the threads and pla=
ce fiber sealing washers under the bolt heads. Doing so hopefully completes t=
he engine rebuild. I can then get back to replacing the top on my MG TD.
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Rick
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Virusvrij. www.avast.com
>>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nb=
sp; The owner said that it was running well when put away last fall. I don=E2=
=80=99t know the status of his distributor, so will do the tests you suggest=
ed. TF distributor access is not as convenient as TD, so he could well have f=
orgotten the oiling locations in it. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Tha=
t=E2=80=99s a good DPO story about the Biro spring found in GT6.&nbsp;</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Several in our club have bought the Pertronix distri=
butors and say they work well. It was the little Pertronix unit that I insta=
lled in my MGB when its shaft bushings were worn, and that the owner has in t=
his TF. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;The owner=E2=80=99s commitments k=
eep him from working on the problem until Sunday. I am eager to get the engi=
ne running, as this is a nicely done car.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 14, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Ri=
chard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardolinds=
ay@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto">&nbsp; &nbsp;I wrote earlier but will repeat it here=
. Put your timing light on the #1 plug wire and observe the timing mark. Is i=
t steady at idle? If not, the problem is probably in your distributor. When I=
 rebuilt the distributor in my GT6, I discovered that someone had replaced o=
ne of the advance springs with a modified ball point pen (biro) spring! But e=
ven with new correct springs, the idle timing jumped around.<div dir=3D"auto=
">&nbsp; &nbsp;I verified that the distributor shaft bushings were not worn.=
 That is, no shaft wobble. However, the pivot shafts and holes in the advanc=
e mechanism were worn, allowing the weights to move on their own, and thus t=
he timing, but only at idle. Once spun up against the stops, the timing was c=
onstant.</div><div dir=3D"auto">&nbsp; &nbsp;I found the same wear problem i=
n both my TR3b and TD! Pertronix distributors fixed the problem and let me s=
et a smooth, constant slow idle. The OEM distributors are boxed up for the n=
ext owners.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri=
, Jun 14, 2019, 7:24 AM Robert's New iPad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail=
.com">mgbobh@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;Than=
ks for this idea, and for introducing Laboratory Grease. Unknown to me, I fo=
und it on Amazon for $6.75 the one ounce container.&nbsp; That will be a han=
dy addition to the first-aid kit I keep.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Fortun=
ately, this engine=E2=80=99s carb shafts are snug. Carbs were rebuilt 10 yea=
rs, 2500 miles ago, so the problem is not their shafts.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">&nbsp; I look forward to spending some time with it this weekend.</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>O=
n Jun 14, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Richard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardoli=
ndsay@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">richardolindsay@gmail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div dir=3D"auto"><p>Hans wrote,</p><p>&gt; When checking the carbs, also ver=
ify any play on the butterfly shafts.<br></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;So important. H=
ere's a trick, a Bandaid or plaster if you will, to get you by if costly reb=
uilds are not an option. Fixing worn throttle shaft bores with new bushings i=
s a serious repair, and the correct way to fix the vacuum leak. However, the=
 following short term solution is to address the symptom, not the problem.</=
p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Disassemble all the linkage at the carburetors. Purchase a=
 few felt washers the size of the throttle shafts or a little smaller, and a=
 tube of laboratory vacuum grease, the stuff they use to seal vacuum leaks i=
n laboratory glassware. Saturate the felt washers with vacuum grease as well=
 as the shafts where they exit the carb body and slide the greased washers u=
p against the body. Place a flat washer on the shaft and reassemble the link=
age, pressing the flat washer gently against the felt washer. The flat washe=
r and linkage will hold the greased felt washer in place and the vacuum grea=
se will seal the vacuum leak!</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Vacuum grease is made to wi=
thstand a bit of heat but also, to not 'migrate'. It will stay in place rath=
er than get sucked into the carb's choke like regular grease would do (once h=
ot). The felt washer also helps.</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Yes, this is a temporary=
 fix, not a proper repair. But it is also a <span class=3D"m_263526785762837=
6016money">$10</span>&nbsp;temporary fix, not a <span class=3D"m_26352678576=
28376016money">$500</span>&nbsp;repair.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;A final wor=
d. Take care to reinstall the air chamber covers correctly (Not interchanged=
!) and verify that the air pistons drop freely on to the bridge with the dam=
pers removed. Tighten the cover screws evenly working around the carb until t=
hey are snug.</p><p>Good luck! You're on the right track.</p><p><br></p><p>R=
ick</p><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Fri, Jun 14, 2019, 2:16 AM Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
h.duinhoven@planet.nl" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">h.duinhoven@plan=
et.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"NL"=
 link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_2635267857628376016m_7263278=
98642918341WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Go=
od show Bob!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;color:#1f497d">When checking the carbs, also verify any play on th=
e butterfly shafts.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Especially at lower revs play causes false a=
ir taken into the carb, with bad low speed driving as a result.<u></u><u></u=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=
<u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hans<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;pad=
ding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Van:</span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;"> Robert's New iPad [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com"; re=
l=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mgbobh@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>V=
erzonden:</b> vrijdag 14 juni 2019 0:21<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay<br><b=
>CC:</b> Hans Duinhoven; <a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a> List<br><b>Onderwe=
rp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Silly error.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp=
;Sunday afternoon is our project day. I want to remove the tops of float cha=
mbers again, the covers and pistons, and to try a bit of compressed air on t=
he jet to see if that will dislodge anything in the passage.&nbsp; If not, w=
e can drop the jets out, but that is awkward on a TF, with its side panels d=
iabolically placed to make any carb work difficult.<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;It was this same friend who talked m=
e into a Pertronix for my MGB, after he had installed them in this TF and hi=
s MGA. &nbsp; I did, and it improved the inaccurate timing quite a bit. A co=
uple of years later, I sent the distributor to Advanced Distributors. Jeff w=
anted to know about the engine, its compression, camshaft, porting, polishin=
g, etc, then curved the distributor to fit.&nbsp; This engine runs very well=
 now. Though he is not 100% sold on the Pertronix, I keep it because setting=
 dwell of the MGB is not as easy as in TD. &nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; Fuel, air, spark=E2=80=94we are working to g=
et them all in proper proportion.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Bob<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mar=
gin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Richard Lindsay &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div=
><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Keep cleaning Bob. :-)<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My TD and=
 TR3b both had idle instability problems AND the higher speed issues. I ende=
d up putting Pertronix distributors in both cars and they ran fantastic! The=
 slow idle was perfect.&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So check the t=
iming with a timing light to see if it is stable.&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 1:51 PM Robert's New iPad &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:mgbobh@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mgbo=
bh@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"bord=
er:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-lef=
t:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; Good on bo=
th of you.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; Yesterd=
ay was an interesting day for me. Went out as passenger with a friend in his=
 TF, stored a year or so.&nbsp; It ran out of go at 2500 rpm, sputtering, bu=
cking, etc, but would smooth out at 2000. &nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; Back at the garage, found the strangest stuff=
 in the float chambers. One had a teaspoon of large chunks of solid material=
. The other had some of that, plus a goo that looked like frog-egg liquid. &=
nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; The goo was e=
asy enough to figure out, but as the chunks are far larger than would pass t=
hrough the SU carb banjo filters, the SU pump filter, the additional filter h=
e has in line, and the original screen filter in the tank, it was a puzzle.&=
nbsp; We could check banjo, pump and additional filter-none had any grit or s=
ediment.&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; Pum=
p delivers the pint/minute quantity that workshop manual says.<u></u><u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; Engine runs better, but not muc=
h. I suspect that some of the sediment is in the passage from float chamber t=
o the jet, but we ran out of day yesterday.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Bob<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u=
></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bott=
om:12.0pt"><br>On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote s=
tyle=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">&nbsp; &nbsp;Good work Hans! I too had a successful day at the shop.=
 I replaced in two bolts in the waterpump housing and the leak is gone! We b=
rought the engine up to temperature with (up to) 13# coolant pressure, and n=
o leaks.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;I a=
lso found a small fuel leak at the intake of the fuel pump. A couple of span=
net twists put that right and dry. With that, we made a few laps around the s=
hop and all was still well.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick<u></u><u><=
/u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:58 AM Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockqu=
ote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm=
 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Funny =E2=80=93 I solved coolant is=
sues earlier and yesterday.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Had to replace the thermostat housin=
g gasket and yesterday I had to replace the hose connecting the bottom radia=
tor pipe to the waterpump.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">A horrible job to do, as there is alm=
ost no space to work at the bottom of the radiator pipe.</span><u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Nut wit=
h a dry result!</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calib=
ri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Fully cleaned a clogged charc=
oal filter and renewed the charcoal particles.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Replaced the oil f=
iller cap and will renew the brake fluid tomorrow.</span><u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Then the GT s=
hould be roadworthy again.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers,</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d=
">Hans</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1f497d">71 BGT NRG - </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span=
><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1=
f497d">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Van=
:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Mgs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team=
.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mgs-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>] <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> woensda=
g 12 juni 2019 18:51<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; re=
l=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a> List<br=
><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Mgs] Silly error.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Friends,<u><=
/u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;My TR6 rebuilt engine=
 leaks coolant. Okay, its not an MG but the issue is universal. Here's the s=
hort story.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;=
When reassembling the waterpump I made a newbie error. I got in a hurry and l=
eft out two bolts, some of the bolts that hold the pump body to the head. Th=
e coolant leak is through one of those bolt holes. The threaded hole drillin=
g entered the head's water jacket and of course, leaks.<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;I now have new bolts and I will a=
pply sealant to the threads and place fiber sealing washers under the bolt h=
eads. Doing so hopefully completes the engine rebuild. I can then get back t=
o replacing the top on my MG TD.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick<u></u=
><u></u></p></div></div></div><div id=3D"m_2635267857628376016m_726327898642=
918341m_-737199480811640730m_-2666518911097195659DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2=
AA1F9FDF2"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><table class=3D"m_=
2635267857628376016m_726327898642918341MsoNormalTable" border=3D"1" cellpadd=
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