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Re: [Mgs] Silly error.

To: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Silly error.
From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:32:04 -0400
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   Good idea! I had forgotten that I have a set of the smaller sizes, from H=
F, purveyors of fine tools, and a couple of smaller ones that I use for clea=
ning hummingbird feeders. It will be the HF ones used on this project. Thank=
s for the reminder.


> On Jun 13, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com> w=
rote:
>=20
> Hi Bob. With the covers off and the air dams out, you can clean the jets w=
ith tiny plastic brushes, or even pipe cleaners wetted with spray carb clean=
er. Here's what I use (carefully).
>=20
> https://www.amazon.com/Brushes-Drinking-Glasses-Keyboards-Cleaning/dp/B073=
ZCYFY2/ref=3Dsr_1_21_sspa?keywords=3DSmall+plastic+brushes&qid=3D1560464677&=
s=3Dgateway&sr=3D8-21-spons&psc=3D1
>=20
> Rick
>=20
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 5:20 PM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:=

>>    Sunday afternoon is our project day. I want to remove the tops of floa=
t chambers again, the covers and pistons, and to try a bit of compressed air=
 on the jet to see if that will dislodge anything in the passage.  If not, w=
e can drop the jets out, but that is awkward on a TF, with its side panels d=
iabolically placed to make any carb work difficult.
>>    It was this same friend who talked me into a Pertronix for my MGB, aft=
er he had installed them in this TF and his MGA.   I did, and it improved th=
e inaccurate timing quite a bit. A couple of years later, I sent the distrib=
utor to Advanced Distributors. Jeff wanted to know about the engine, its com=
pression, camshaft, porting, polishing, etc, then curved the distributor to f=
it.  This engine runs very well now. Though he is not 100% sold on the Pertr=
onix, I keep it because setting dwell of the MGB is not as easy as in TD. =20=

>>   Fuel, air, spark=E2=80=94we are working to get them all in proper propo=
rtion.
>> Bob
>>=20
>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>=
 wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Keep cleaning Bob. :-)
>>>=20
>>> My TD and TR3b both had idle instability problems AND the higher speed i=
ssues. I ended up putting Pertronix distributors in both cars and they ran f=
antastic! The slow idle was perfect.=20
>>>=20
>>> So check the timing with a timing light to see if it is stable.=20
>>>=20
>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 1:51 PM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>>>>   Good on both of you.
>>>>   Yesterday was an interesting day for me. Went out as passenger with a=
 friend in his TF, stored a year or so.  It ran out of go at 2500 rpm, sputt=
ering, bucking, etc, but would smooth out at 2000. =20
>>>>   Back at the garage, found the strangest stuff in the float chambers. O=
ne had a teaspoon of large chunks of solid material. The other had some of t=
hat, plus a goo that looked like frog-egg liquid. =20
>>>>   The goo was easy enough to figure out, but as the chunks are far larg=
er than would pass through the SU carb banjo filters, the SU pump filter, th=
e additional filter he has in line, and the original screen filter in the ta=
nk, it was a puzzle.  We could check banjo, pump and additional filter-none h=
ad any grit or sediment.=20
>>>>   Pump delivers the pint/minute quantity that workshop manual says.
>>>>   Engine runs better, but not much. I suspect that some of the sediment=
 is in the passage from float chamber to the jet, but we ran out of day yest=
erday.
>>>> Bob
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.n=
et> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>    Good work Hans! I too had a successful day at the shop. I replaced i=
n two bolts in the waterpump housing and the leak is gone! We brought the en=
gine up to temperature with (up to) 13# coolant pressure, and no leaks.
>>>>>    I also found a small fuel leak at the intake of the fuel pump. A co=
uple of spannet twists put that right and dry. With that, we made a few laps=
 around the shop and all was still well.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Rick
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:58 AM Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> w=
rote:
>>>>>> Funny =E2=80=93 I solved coolant issues earlier and yesterday.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Had to replace the thermostat housing gasket and yesterday I had to r=
eplace the hose connecting the bottom radiator pipe to the waterpump.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> A horrible job to do, as there is almost no space to work at the bott=
om of the radiator pipe.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Nut with a dry result!
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Fully cleaned a clogged charcoal filter and renewed the charcoal part=
icles.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Replaced the oil filler cap and will renew the brake fluid tomorrow.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Then the GT should be roadworthy again.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 71 BGT NRG -
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay v=
ia Mgs
>>>>>> Verzonden: woensdag 12 juni 2019 18:51
>>>>>> Aan: mgs@autox.team.net List
>>>>>> Onderwerp: [Mgs] Silly error.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hi Friends,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>    My TR6 rebuilt engine leaks coolant. Okay, its not an MG but the i=
ssue is universal. Here's the short story.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>    When reassembling the waterpump I made a newbie error. I got in a h=
urry and left out two bolts, some of the bolts that hold the pump body to th=
e head. The coolant leak is through one of those bolt holes. The threaded ho=
le drilling entered the head's water jacket and of course, leaks.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>    I now have new bolts and I will apply sealant to the threads and p=
lace fiber sealing washers under the bolt heads. Doing so hopefully complete=
s the engine rebuild. I can then get back to replacing the top on my MG TD.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>  Virusvrij. www.avast.com
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nb=
sp; &nbsp;Good idea! I had forgotten that I have a set of the smaller sizes,=
 from HF, purveyors of fine tools, and a couple of smaller ones that I use f=
or cleaning hummingbird feeders. It will be the HF ones used on this project=
. Thanks for the reminder.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br>On Jun 13, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Richard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richa=
rdolindsay@gmail.com">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Bob. With th=
e covers off and the air dams out, you can clean the jets with tiny plastic b=
rushes, or even pipe cleaners wetted with spray carb cleaner. Here's what I u=
se (carefully).<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http=
s://www.amazon.com/Brushes-Drinking-Glasses-Keyboards-Cleaning/dp/B073ZCYFY2=
/ref=3Dsr_1_21_sspa?keywords=3DSmall+plastic+brushes&amp;qid=3D1560464677&am=
p;s=3Dgateway&amp;sr=3D8-21-spons&amp;psc=3D1">https://www.amazon.com/Brushe=
s-Drinking-Glasses-Keyboards-Cleaning/dp/B073ZCYFY2/ref=3Dsr_1_21_sspa?keywo=
rds=3DSmall+plastic+brushes&amp;qid=3D1560464677&amp;s=3Dgateway&amp;sr=3D8-=
21-spons&amp;psc=3D1</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">Rick</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 5:20 PM Robert's New iPad &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com";>mgbobh@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">&nbsp; &nbsp;Sunday afternoon is our project day. I want to remove the top=
s of float chambers again, the covers and pistons, and to try a bit of compr=
essed air on the jet to see if that will dislodge anything in the passage.&n=
bsp; If not, we can drop the jets out, but that is awkward on a TF, with its=
 side panels diabolically placed to make any carb work difficult.</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;It was this same friend who talked me into a Pertron=
ix for my MGB, after he had installed them in this TF and his MGA. &nbsp; I d=
id, and it improved the inaccurate timing quite a bit. A couple of years lat=
er, I sent the distributor to Advanced Distributors. Jeff wanted to know abo=
ut the engine, its compression, camshaft, porting, polishing, etc, then curv=
ed the distributor to fit.&nbsp; This engine runs very well now. Though he i=
s not 100% sold on the Pertronix, I keep it because setting dwell of the MGB=
 is not as easy as in TD. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Fuel, air, spa=
rk=E2=80=94we are working to get them all in proper proportion.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Richard=
 Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto">Keep cleaning Bob. :=
-)<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">My TD and TR3b both had idle=
 instability problems AND the higher speed issues. I ended up putting Pertro=
nix distributors in both cars and they ran fantastic! The slow idle was perf=
ect.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So check the t=
iming with a timing light to see if it is stable.&nbsp;</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 13, 2=
019, 1:51 PM Robert's New iPad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com"; targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgbobh@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Good on both of you.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Yesterday w=
as an interesting day for me. Went out as passenger with a friend in his TF,=
 stored a year or so.&nbsp; It ran out of go at 2500 rpm, sputtering, buckin=
g, etc, but would smooth out at 2000. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Ba=
ck at the garage, found the strangest stuff in the float chambers. One had a=
 teaspoon of large chunks of solid material. The other had some of that, plu=
s a goo that looked like frog-egg liquid. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp=
; The goo was easy enough to figure out, but as the chunks are far larger th=
an would pass through the SU carb banjo filters, the SU pump filter, the add=
itional filter he has in line, and the original screen filter in the tank, i=
t was a puzzle.&nbsp; We could check banjo, pump and additional filter-none h=
ad any grit or sediment.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; Pump delivers th=
e pint/minute quantity that workshop manual says.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbs=
p; Engine runs better, but not much. I suspect that some of the sediment is i=
n the passage from float chamber to the jet, but we ran out of day yesterday=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br>On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:mgs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mgs@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;Good work Hans! I too had a su=
ccessful day at the shop. I replaced in two bolts in the waterpump housing a=
nd the leak is gone! We brought the engine up to temperature with (up to) 13=
# coolant pressure, and no leaks.</div><div dir=3D"auto">&nbsp; &nbsp;I also=
 found a small fuel leak at the intake of the fuel pump. A couple of spannet=
 twists put that right and dry. With that, we made a few laps around the sho=
p and all was still well.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>Rick</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:58 AM Hans Duinho=
ven &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div cl=
ass=3D"m_4813474141780684756m_-737199480811640730m_-2666518911097195659WordS=
ection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Fun=
ny =E2=80=93 I solved coolant issues earlier and yesterday.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Had t=
o replace the thermostat housing gasket and yesterday I had to replace the h=
ose connecting the bottom radiator pipe to the waterpump.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">A horr=
ible job to do, as there is almost no space to work at the bottom of the rad=
iator pipe.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;color:#1f497d">Nut with a dry result!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d=
">Fully cleaned a clogged charcoal filter and renewed the charcoal particles=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;col=
or:#1f497d">Replaced the oil filler cap and will renew the brake fluid tomor=
row.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:#1f497d">Then the GT should be roadworthy again.<u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=
&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;col=
or:#1f497d">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hans<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">71 BGT NRG - <u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><=
u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Van:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Mgs [mailto:<a href=3D=
"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>Namens </b>Richard Lin=
dsay via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag 12 juni 2019 18:51<br><b>Aan:</b>=
 <a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a> List<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Mgs]=
 Silly error.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u=
></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Friends,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;My TR6 rebuilt engine leaks coolant. Okay, it=
s not an MG but the issue is universal. Here's the short story.<u></u><u></u=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp;When reassembling the wa=
terpump I made a newbie error. I got in a hurry and left out two bolts, some=
 of the bolts that hold the pump body to the head. The coolant leak is throu=
gh one of those bolt holes. The threaded hole drilling entered the head's wa=
ter jacket and of course, leaks.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">&nbsp; &nbsp;I now have new bolts and I will apply sealant to the th=
reads and place fiber sealing washers under the bolt heads. Doing so hopeful=
ly completes the engine rebuild. I can then get back to replacing the top on=
 my MG TD.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick<u></u><u></u></p></div></di=
v></div><div id=3D"m_4813474141780684756m_-737199480811640730m_-266651891109=
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