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Life is simpler where I live. I don't drive enough to worry about cam wear.
And in Texas we have no emissions testing for cars 25 years and older so
there's no worry about the catalytic converters. I would just change the
oil and filter at 3000 mile intervals and use Castrol GTX in 20W50 weight.
That said, I never drive 3000 miles so I just change oil and filter
annually-ish.
Rick
On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 10:04 AM Chris Attias via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> I'll confess that I haven't been out to buy oil for about a year. I went
> out this morning to a couple of nearby stores, and sure enough, they had
> Valvoline VR1 and a couple other brands that were clearly labeled "High
> Zinc" or mentioned ZDDP on the label. It looks like a lot of oil companies
> are taking the old car/classics/hot rod market seriously. Valvoline
> conventional was the least expensive, at under $7.00/qt.
>
> As a side note, I've been using conventional oil because my experience
> with old seals and synthetic oil hasn't been good. An oil company rep told
> me that in their experience, synthetics have an improved detergent effect
> that points up wear in old seals that's been masked by a buildup of
> contaminants. It's a theory...
>
> Back to some of the earlier discussions...Correct me if I'm wrong, but
> Castrol seems to be the least forthcoming about ZDDP levels in their oils -
> I wasn't able to find a table specifying zinc in ppm for GTX. Rimmer Bros.
> in the UK sells something that looks like a Castrol for old cars, but I
> didn't see that available here. Not knowing, would you want to add ZDDP? I
> don't know.
>
> For an MGB with a catalyst, I'd probably think about using an oil with a
> known amount of ZDDP (ppm). Some oil companies publish this level. I've
> seen between 600 ppm and 1200 ppm. It's sort of a crap shoot with a bottle
> of additive, given that you might not know the concentration.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 7:08 AM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe you haven't looked hard enough. I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1
>> yesterday at my local Autozone. The other local stores carry it too. The
>> first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil".
>> Here's a blurb from Valvoline's website:
>> https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1
>>
>> I've been using 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so. I
>> use synthetics in my newer cars.
>>
>> CR
>>
>>
>> On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote:
>>
>> I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1
>> is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not
>> something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil
>>> supplier.
>>>
>>> CR
>>>
>>> On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the
>>> appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product
>>> of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line,
>>> Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <
>>> mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just
>>>> take other peoples' word for it.
>>>>
>>>> CR
>>>>
>>>> On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec
>>>> sheets.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Max Heim
>>>> mvheim@sonic.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Max Heim
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM
>>>> *To:* FrankK ; MG List
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive
>>>>
>>>> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal
>>>> Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Max Heim
>>>> mvheim@sonic.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com
>>>> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Chris Attias
>> 8117 Azalea Dr.
>> Felton, CA 95018
>> home: 831.335.2275
>> cell: 831.247.0001
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Life is simpler where I live. I don't drive enough to=
worry about cam wear. And in Texas we have no emissions testing for cars 2=
5 years and older so there's no worry about the catalytic converters. I=
would just change the oil and filter at 3000 mile intervals and use Castro=
l GTX in 20W50 weight. That said, I never drive 3000 miles so I just change=
oil and filter annually-ish.<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 10:04 AM Chris Attia=
s via Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I'l=
l confess that I haven't been out to buy oil for about a year. I went o=
ut this morning to a couple of nearby stores, and sure enough, they had Val=
voline VR1 and a couple other brands that were clearly labeled "High Z=
inc" or mentioned ZDDP on the label. It looks like a lot of oil compan=
ies are taking the old car/classics/hot rod market seriously. Valvoline con=
ventional was the least expensive, at under $7.00/qt.<div><br></div><div>As=
a side note, I've been using conventional oil because my experience wi=
th old seals and synthetic oil hasn't been good. An oil company rep tol=
d me that in their experience, synthetics have an improved detergent effect=
that points up wear in old seals that's been masked by a buildup of co=
ntaminants. It's a theory...<br><div><br></div><div>Back to some of the=
earlier discussions...Correct me if I'm wrong, but Castrol seems to be=
the least forthcoming about ZDDP levels in their oils - I wasn't able =
to find a table specifying zinc in ppm for GTX. Rimmer Bros. in the UK sell=
s something that looks like a Castrol for old cars, but I didn't see th=
at available here. Not knowing, would you want to add ZDDP? I don't kno=
w.</div><div><br></div><div>For an MGB with a catalyst, I'd probably th=
ink about using an oil with a known amount of ZDDP (ppm). Some oil companie=
s publish this level. I've seen between 600 ppm and 1200 ppm. It's =
sort of a crap shoot with a bottle of additive, given that you might not kn=
ow the concentration.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul =
7, 2019 at 7:08 AM Charley Robinson <<a href=3D"mailto:Charley38@twc.com=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Charley38@twc.com</a>> wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
Maybe you haven't looked hard enough.=C2=A0 I bought two quarts of =
20W50
VR1 yesterday at my local Autozone.=C2=A0 The other local stores carry =
it
too.=C2=A0 The first bullet on the back label calls it "High
Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a blurb from Valvoline's w=
ebsite: <a href=3D"https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18b=
dee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Doc=
ument/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac=
162d889bd1</a><br>
<br>
I've been using=C2=A0 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 ye=
ars or
so.=C2=A0 I use synthetics in my newer cars.<br>
<br>
CR<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"m_-2961393751678298098gmail-m_-4215837252036478448moz-cit=
e-prefix">On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all rac=
ing
oils. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call
it a specialty oil. Not something I've seen on the shelves at
local auto parts stores. <br>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 P=
M
Charley Robinson <<a href=3D"mailto:Charley38@twc.com"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Charley38@twc.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> Sorry, I don't agree unless you see
Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.<br>
<br>
CR<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"m_-2961393751678298098gmail-m_-421583725203647844=
8gmail-m_7183647943737747142moz-cite-prefix">On
7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<div>As classifications change, old oil formulations
become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet
engines has become pretty much the product of
specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe
Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Chris
<div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5,
2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <<a href=
=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@aut=
ox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> I've been reading up on=
it
to refresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of folks just tak=
e
other peoples' word for it.<br>
<br>
CR<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"m_-2961393751678298098gmail-m_-421583=
7252036478448gmail-m_7183647943737747142gmail-m_-7918293755375773193moz-cit=
e-prefix">On
7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"> Only certain weights.
You have to read the labels, or usually the
spec sheets.
<div><br>
<div>
<div>--</div>
<div>Max Heim</div>
<div><a href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mvheim@sonic.net</a></div>
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<<a href=3D"mailto:frankk12@verizon.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">frankk12@verizon.net</a>>
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<div>I assume all those brands
include the correct ZDDP
proportions./ </div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-=
decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;di=
splay:inline">
<div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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5,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D=
"mvheim@sonic.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">Max
Heim</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday,
July 5, 2019 9:02 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"f=
rankk12@verizon.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">FrankK</a>
; <a title=3D"mgs@autox.tea=
m.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">MG
List</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Mgs] Oil Additive</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-=
decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;di=
splay:inline">Right,
but there are other brands. I
use Mobil1 15W50. Others use
Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs,
Kendall or AMSoil brands.
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>
<div>--</div>
<div>Max Heim</div>
<div><a rel=3D"noreferrer">mv=
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