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When cold, the battery connectors will be tighter thanks to contraction
and of the metal. When hot an otherwise solid connection can become
resistive or even open.
Next time it won't start, turn on the headlights first and observe them
when attempting a start. If the dim appreciable the batter or its
connectors are the cause.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 3:28 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> Battery connections can "look" fine. There is a corrosion that sets up
> with disuse and the battery tenders tend to foster this. Just take off t=
he
> battery connections and clean off the battery posts with a battery cleani=
ng
> tool. You know, the one with the stiff steel bristles you put over the
> post and turn back and forth. Then do the same for the battery cable
> connections. You would be surprised how many times it's the simple thing=
s
> like this that are the problem.
> Mike MacLean
> 69 MGB GT
>
> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 1:21:59 PM PDT, Steve Shoyer via Mgs <
> mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I actually look at the battery connections every time I drive, when I
> disconnect and then reconnect the battery tender clamps. They seem clean
> and tight.
>
> If the battery (or battery connection) was bad, would there still be
> enough power to start the car when it was cold, and to run the starter fo=
r
> a long time after the car was warm but wouldn't start? I can try
> disconnecting the battery tender to see how the battery reacts to only
> charging from the alternator.
>
> --Steve (1980 MGB)
> On 3/10/2020 3:50 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>
> Head? Coil? Now you=E2=80=99re grasping at straws. And carb doesn=E2=80=
=99t match the
> symptoms.
>
> I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the battery connections. They
> are out of sight so are frequently neglected. Have you looked at them sin=
ce
> you installed the battery?
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks. I don't think it's the battery. The battery is about two years
> old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender over the winter. I didn=
't
> have any trouble getting the starter to crank, and I was running the
> starter for a while without the battery appearing to run down.
>
> I'll have to test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my
> neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my garage and trying to
> restart it after 20-30 minutes. If it won't start I can pull the plugs a=
nd
> take a look, and also test the battery to see if it wasn't holding the
> charge. I can also check compression at that point - maybe the head gets
> loose when it warms up?
>
> I also thought it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after the
> coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems. If that was the case
> I'd think the car wouldn't run after being push started, but I'm far from
> an expert. I was just guessing at the carb because I've never been good =
at
> tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed on the car.
>
> --Steve
> On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:
>
> Check the battery connections, clean and replace.
> Mike MacLean
> 69 MGB GT
>
> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43 AM PDT, dave via Mgs
> <mgs@autox.team.net> <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> What is the voltage on the battery? See:
>
>
>
> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-battery-vo=
ltage-range
>
>
>
> *From:* Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On
> Behalf Of *Max Heim via Mgs
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 12:59 PM
> *To:* MGs <mgs@autox.team.net> <mgs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] MGB not (re)starting
>
>
> What makes you think it was carb related? The fact that you could push
> start it makes me think it was more likely battery or starter related. It
> being the end of winter, I suspect a flat battery.
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
>
> '66 MGB
>
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> It was in the 70's yesterday, so I took my 1980 MGB out for a ride. My
> current carb is a Weber 38 DGES that I installed when I replaced the cam
> two years ago. I drove around last year and it was running well, until o=
ne
> day when I stopped at a store for a few minutes and then couldn't get the
> car restarted. After trying to get it going I wound up calling my daught=
er
> for help and we got it push-started. Yesterday the same thing happened.
> After the push start the car ran fine, but I just drove it home rather th=
an
> risk another problem. I was trying some starter fluid to get it going
> yesterday, but that didn't work. I thought that maybe the gas in the tan=
k
> is old, but the car started up after a little cranking when I originally
> left the house.
>
>
> Any suggestions on where to look? I didn't plumb the coolant line throug=
h
> the manifold to heat it, but I don't drive too much in cold weather so I
> didn't think it would be needed. I thought that the problem last summer
> could have been vapor lock, but starter fluid should have worked if that
> was the issue.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --Steve (1980 MGB)
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0When cold, the battery connectors will be ti=
ghter thanks to contraction and of the metal. When hot an otherwise solid c=
onnection can become resistive or even open.<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
Next time it won't start, turn on the headlights first and observe them=
when attempting a start. If the dim appreciable the batter or its connecto=
rs are the cause.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 3:28 PM Michael MacLean via Mg=
s <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:t=
imes new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Battery connections can "look" fine.=C2=
=A0 There is a corrosion that sets up with disuse and the battery tenders t=
end to foster this.=C2=A0 Just take off the battery connections and clean o=
ff the battery posts with a battery cleaning tool.=C2=A0 You know, the one =
with the stiff steel bristles you put over the post and turn back and forth=
.=C2=A0 Then do the same for the battery cable connections.=C2=A0 You would=
be surprised how many times it's the simple things like this that are =
the problem.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean</div><div dir=3D"ltr">69 MG=
B GT<br></div><div><br></div>
=20
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<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a">
=20
<div>
On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 1:21:59 PM PDT, Steve Shoye=
r via Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960"><div>
<p>I actually look at the battery connections every time I drive,
when I disconnect and then reconnect the battery tender clamps.=C2=A0
They seem clean and tight.</p>
<p>If the battery (or battery connection) was bad, would there still
be enough power to start the car when it was cold, and to run the
starter for a long time after the car was warm but wouldn't
start?=C2=A0 I can try disconnecting the battery tender to see how th=
e
battery reacts to only charging from the alternator.</p>
<p>--Steve=C2=A0 (1980 MGB)<br clear=3D"none">
</p>
<div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960yqtfd76888"><div>On 3/10/2=
020 3:50 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
</blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv456473096=
0yqtfd55001"><div>
Head? Coil? Now you=E2=80=99re grasping at straws. And carb doesn=E2=
=80=99t match
the symptoms.
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>I think Mike was right. Clean and tighten the
battery connections. They are out of sight so are frequently
neglected. Have you looked at them since you installed the
battery?</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:=
0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break=
-word">
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-inden=
t:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:bre=
ak-word">
<div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">--</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px">Max =
Heim</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">'66
MGB</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Steve Shoyer via
Mgs <<a rel=3D"nofollow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D=
"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wr=
ote:</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<p style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform=
:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Thanks.=C2=A0 I
don't think it's the battery.=C2=A0 The battery is =
about two
years old, and it's been plugged into a battery tender
over the winter.=C2=A0 I didn't have any trouble gettin=
g the
starter to crank, and I was running the starter for a
while without the battery appearing to run down.</p>
<p style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform=
:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">I'll have to
test it by starting the car cold, driving it around my
neighborhood for a while, then parking it back in my
garage and trying to restart it after 20-30 minutes.=C2=A0 =
If
it won't start I can pull the plugs and take a look, an=
d
also test the battery to see if it wasn't holding the
charge.=C2=A0 I can also check compression at that point -
maybe the head gets loose when it warms up?<br clear=3D"non=
e">
</p>
<p style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform=
:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">I also thought
it might be the coil - I had read that sometimes after
the coil gets warm it can cause intermittent problems.=C2=
=A0
If that was the case I'd think the car wouldn't run
after being push started, but I'm far from an expert.=
=C2=A0 I
was just guessing at the carb because I've never been
good at tuning carbs, and it's the last thing I changed
on the car.</p>
<p style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:nor=
mal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform=
:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">--Steve<br clear=3D"none">
</p>
<div style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transfo=
rm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">On 3/10/2020 3:17 PM,
Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-s=
ize:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-in=
dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<div style=3D"font-family:'times new roman','ne=
w york',times,serif;font-size:16px">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Check the
battery connections, clean and replace.<br clear=3D"non=
e">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Mike
MacLean</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">69 MGB GT<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960yahoo_quoted_4=
146678925">
<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
<div>On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:41:43
AM PDT, dave via Mgs<span>=C2=A0</span><a rel=3D"nofo=
llow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank"><mgs@autox.team.net></a><span>=C2=A0</span>wrote:<span>=
=C2=A0</span></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960">
<div>
<div>
<p>What is
the voltage on the battery?=C2=A0 See:</p>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<p><a rel=3D"nofollow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect=
" href=3D"https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-ba=
ttery-voltage-range" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=
=3D"_blank">https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/r/advice/car-maintenance/car-=
battery-voltage-range</a></p>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960yq=
t49081">
<div>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;=
border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"=
>
<p><b>From:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Mgs<spa=
n>=C2=A0</span><a rel=3D"nofollow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto=
:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline"=
target=3D"_blank"><mgs-bounces@autox.team.net></a><span>=C2=A0</span=
><b>On Behalf Of<span>=C2=A0</span></b>Max
Heim via Mgs<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Tuesday,
March 10, 2020 12:59 PM<br clear=3D"non=
e">
<b>To:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>MGs<span>=
=C2=A0</span><a rel=3D"nofollow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:m=
gs@autox.team.net" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D=
"_blank"><mgs@autox.team.net></a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Re:
[Mgs] MGB not (re)starting</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<p>What
makes you think it was carb related? The
fact that you could push start it makes
me think it was more likely battery or
starter related. It being the end of
winter, I suspect a flat battery.</p>
<div>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"m_8510077427096754117yiv4564730960=
yqt99890">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">-=
-</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">M=
ax Heim</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">&=
#39;66 MGB</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margi=
n-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<p>On
Mar 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Steve
Shoyer via Mgs <<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; style=3D"c=
olor:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</=
a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p>It
was in the 70's yesterday,
so I took my 1980 MGB out
for a ride.=C2=A0 My current ca=
rb
is a Weber 38 DGES that I
installed when I replaced
the cam two years ago.=C2=A0 I
drove around last year and
it was running well, until
one day when I stopped at a
store for a few minutes and
then couldn't get the car
restarted.=C2=A0 After trying t=
o
get it going I wound up
calling my daughter for help
and we got it push-started.=C2=
=A0
Yesterday the same thing
happened.=C2=A0 After the push
start the car ran fine, but
I just drove it home rather
than risk another problem.=C2=
=A0
I was trying some starter
fluid to get it going
yesterday, but that didn't
work.=C2=A0 I thought that mayb=
e
the gas in the tank is old,
but the car started up after
a little cranking when I
originally left the house.<span=
>=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p>Any
suggestions on where to
look?=C2=A0 I didn't plumb =
the
coolant line through the
manifold to heat it, but I
don't drive too much in col=
d
weather so I didn't think i=
t
would be needed.=C2=A0 I though=
t
that the problem last summer
could have been vapor lock,
but starter fluid should
have worked if that was the
issue.<span>=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p>Thanks.</p>
</div>
<div>
<div>=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p>--Steve
(1980 MGB)<span>=C2=A0</span></=
p>
</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
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