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I agree, not yet practical. I'm interested in them from purely an
economic proposition. A job change last summer means my former 5 mile
commute becomes 30 when work from home ends. I have some interest in a
Mach-E (no other name associated with that :-) ) or an ID-4. But both are
only RWD currently, and I'm not doing that here in Minnesota. Then again,
both will still be over $30k after government rebates, and I'm not ready to
pay that much for a consumable.
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:26 PM 'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB <
mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Friends with Priusii (plural?) report much better battery life than
> expected.
>
> Reason is that Prius batteries operate in a sweet spot of between 20% and
> 80% of full charge.
>
> And a person I know with a Tesla told me that normal charging is only to
> 85% unless you request a full charge for the same reason of not 'pushing'
> the limits. Can somebody with a Tesla either confirm or refute this?
>
> I just fear that in travel mode constant rapid charging cannot be good.
>
> And while I know from long experience that laptop batteries have a limited
> number of cycles my Norelco shaver is now 15 years old, gets a charge once
> month and seem sot have as much life as when new.
>
> And as I did not mention the Tesla S weighs about a ton more than the
> Mazda6.
>
> For me, not yet practical.
>
>
>
> Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses pcresch@yahoo.com
> resch@reschonline.com
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 02:19:12 PM CDT, Paul Noble <
> noblepa@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I've wondered about the same things, regarding electric and hybrid cars.
>
> Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problematic,
> both in mining it and disposing of it.
>
> The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, safest
> and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline will
> take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.
>
> The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot
> heavier.
>
> I've never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard that you're
> lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing them costs about
> $3-4k. That's one reason I wouldn't even consider a used Prius, unless the
> seller showed me receipts for a very recent battery replacement. A Prius
> (or Tesla for that matter) without batteries is like a conventional car
> without an engine. It might be a good deal, but you have to factor in the
> cost of replacing the batteries or engine.
>
> Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of
> hours, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully
> electric vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop
> every four hours for a two hour recharge. They could probably speed up the
> charging process but that would require much higher voltages or current
> flow, both of which can be dangerous and create heat dissipation problems.
>
> I've heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to
> cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through
> the main battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for
> this now, but this remains a problem.
>
> Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations.
> No one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations
> until there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are
> reluctant to buy an EV because there are not many public charging stations.
> That is why one of the features of the proposed infrastructure bill now
> being debated in Congress includes funding to build charging stations.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* 'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB <mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM
> *To:* James Dillner <spr1ng19@outlook.com>; Dan DiBiase <
> dan.dibiase@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* PaulBHunt73 <paulbhunt73@gmail.com>; mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>;
> MG-MGA-MGB <mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports
> Car Concept
>
> I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argument but feel I
> am missing something.
>
> When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla S. Turns out
> same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both. Pretty similar.
>
> Presuming the cars mission is the same. Build quality similar, tire usage
> and performance in real world use equivalent I did some comparisons.
> Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the Masda6's 600 mile per
> tank range. My bladder needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.
>
> In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I got this from
> Tesla) would run $8,800.
>
> In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10 - $65 oil
> changes the total is about $8,500.
>
> But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.
>
> Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,000 dollars
> ahead. I am negating resale. A 100,000 Mazda6 is nicely broken in..
> What's the $16.000 Tesla's battery life expectancy. I just do not know.
>
> And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,000 miles would
> be nearly impossible.
>
> I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between and charging
> non-existent. One hotel out of 13 had charging stations. Rapid charging
> hurts battery life. Standing around for a half hour a couple of times a
> day could get old.
>
> I think the European model of changeable battery packs is what will win.
>
> Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into a system much
> like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with a fresh
> battery. Changed from below.
>
> Automatically changed. SUVs might have two batteries. Trucks might have
> more.
>
> Your state of charge, car's pathway and prediction of needed packs would
> report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you knew you would have a
> battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze every last drop out
> of yours. You'd pay a charge to belong to the system and what your battery
> had left. So if you wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just
> swap the half used battery.
>
> I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW factory it is rare for the same model to
> be built in order as the robots don't care.
>
> The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough spigots is tough
> to see until many years from now.
>
> So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just rent a car for
> trips, but the current model works for me.
>
> A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:
>
> 1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries
> <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/>
>
> 1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries
>
> We stage a multi-state enduro to find out if today's automotive pioneer
> can outrun its predecessor.
>
> <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses pcresch@yahoo.com
> resch@reschonline.com
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase <
> dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, there are 7000-something individual cells bundled into about 15
> modules that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77kWh battery).
>
> Dan D
> Central NJ USA
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner <spr1ng19@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla
> wreck where the battery pack tore apart? There were thousands of little
> sub-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place. Somehow I
> never dreamed that those power packs were made up of cells all linked
> together.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com <mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com> on
> behalf of PaulBHunt73 <paulbhunt73@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:40 AM
> *Cc:* mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>; MG-MGA-MGB <MG-MGA-MGB@googlegroups.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept
>
> Each to their own. I can't see myself ever buying an EV based on the
> current range and recharging situation where they are little more than toys
> for local journeys. If I get to the point when I'm still around and
> driving but run out of satisfactory used 'real' cars to buy then I shall
> revert to using my V8 as a daily driver as I did before.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-) Based
> on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I'd absolutely consider anything
> with an electric drivetrain from this point on. I don't plan to buy another
> internal combustion vehicle for my daily use.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I agree, not yet practical. I'm interested in them fro=
m purely an economic=C2=A0proposition. A job change last summer means my fo=
rmer 5 mile commute becomes 30 when work from home ends.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I have=
some interest in a Mach-E (no other name associated with that :-)=C2=A0 ) =
or an ID-4. But both are only RWD currently, and I'm not doing that her=
e in Minnesota. Then again, both will still be over $30k after government r=
ebates, and I'm not ready to pay that much for a consumable.=C2=A0</div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tu=
e, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:26 PM 'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB <<a href=
=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com";>mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com</a>>=
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:"times new roman","new york",tim=
es,serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Friends with Priusii (plural=
?) report much better battery life than expected.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Reason is that Prius batteries operate in a sweet s=
pot of between 20% and 80% of full charge.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">And a person I know with a Tesla told me that normal charg=
ing is only to 85% unless you request a full charge for the same reason of =
not 'pushing' the limits.=C2=A0 Can somebody with a Tesla either co=
nfirm or refute this?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I ju=
st fear that in travel mode constant rapid charging cannot be good.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">And while I know from long experi=
ence that laptop batteries have a limited number of cycles my Norelco shave=
r is now 15 years old, gets a charge once month and seem sot have as much l=
ife as when new.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">And as I =
did not mention the Tesla S weighs about a ton more than the Mazda6.</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">For me, not yet practical.</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div><br></div><div>P=
aul Resch
USA Cell phone 661-645-5266
email addresses=20
<a href=3D"mailto:pcresch@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank">pcresch@yahoo.com</=
a>=20
<a href=3D"mailto:resch@reschonline.com"; target=3D"_blank">resch@reschonli=
ne.com</a></div></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div>
=20
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Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
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On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 02:19:12 PM CDT, Paul Noble =
<<a href=3D"mailto:noblepa@hotmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">noblepa@hotmai=
l.com</a>> wrote:
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8514397517773254426ydp3b6479a0yiv7=
521138874"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>I've wondered about the same things, regarding electric and hybri=
d cars.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br clear=3D"none">
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problema=
tic, both in mining it and disposing of it.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br clear=3D"none">
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, saf=
est and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline =
will take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br clear=3D"none">
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot =
heavier.</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span><br clear=3D"none">
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<span>I've never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard =
that you're lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing =
them costs about $3-4k. That's one reason I wouldn't even consider =
a used Prius, unless the seller showed me receipts for
a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or Tesla for that matter) with=
out batteries is like a conventional car without an engine. It might be a g=
ood deal, but you have to factor in the cost of replacing the batteries or =
engine.</span></div>
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-8514397517773254426ydp3b6479a0yiv7521138874appendonsend=
"></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of hours=
, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully electr=
ic vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop every four=
hours for a two hour recharge.
They could probably speed up the charging process but that would require m=
uch higher voltages or current flow, both of which can be dangerous and cre=
ate heat dissipation problems.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
I've heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to=
cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through t=
he main battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for t=
his now, but this remains a problem.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">
Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations. No=
one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations unti=
l there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant=
to buy an EV because there are
not many public charging stations. That is why one of the features of the =
proposed infrastructure bill now being debated in Congress includes funding=
to build charging stations.</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-8514397517773254426ydp3b6479a0yiv7521138874yqt19287"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"gmail-m_-8514397517773254426ydp3b6479a0yiv7521138874di=
vRplyFwdMsg"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"=
font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> 'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com"; target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-mgb@goo=
glegroups.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> James Dillner <<a href=3D"mailto:spr1ng19@outlook.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">spr1ng19@outlook.com</a>>; Dan DiBiase <<a href=3D"mailto=
:dan.dibiase@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>><br =
clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> PaulBHunt73 <<a href=3D"mailto:paulbhunt73@gmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">paulbhunt73@gmail.com</a>>; mglist <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MG-MGA-MGB &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com"; target=3D"_blank">mg-mga-=
mgb@googlegroups.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Spor=
ts Car Concept</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:"times new roman","new york",=
times,serif;font-size:16px">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argum=
ent but feel I am missing something.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla =
S. Turns out same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both.=C2=A0 Pretty simi=
lar.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Presuming the cars mission is the same.=C2=A0 Build qualit=
y similar, tire usage and performance in real world use equivalent I did so=
me comparisons.=C2=A0 Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the M=
asda6's 600 mile per tank range.=C2=A0 =C2=A0My bladder
needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I =
got this from Tesla) would run $8,800.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10=
- $65 oil changes the total is about $8,500.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.=
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,0=
00 dollars ahead.=C2=A0 I am negating resale.=C2=A0 A 100,000 Mazda6 is nic=
ely broken in.. What's the $16.000 Tesla's battery life expectancy.=
=C2=A0 I just do not know.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,=
000 miles would be nearly impossible.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between=
and charging non-existent.=C2=A0 One hotel out of 13 had charging stations=
.=C2=A0 Rapid charging hurts battery life.=C2=A0 Standing around for a half=
hour a couple of times a day could get old.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think the European model of changeable battery packs is =
what will win.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into=
a system much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with =
a fresh battery.=C2=A0 Changed from below.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Automatically changed.=C2=A0 SUVs might=C2=A0 have two bat=
teries.=C2=A0 Trucks might have more.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Your state of charge, car's pathway and prediction of =
needed packs would report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you kne=
w you would have a battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze e=
very last drop out of yours.=C2=A0 You'd pay
a charge to belong to the system and what your battery had left. So if you=
wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just swap the half used bat=
tery.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW factory it is rare fo=
r the same model to be built in order as the robots don't care.</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough =
spigots is tough to see until many years from now.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just r=
ent a car for trips, but the current model works for me.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.caranddriver.com/fea=
tures/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuri=
es-feature/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 =
Tesla Model S: Race of
the Centuries</a><br clear=3D"none">
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ttps://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-f=
ord-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bla=
nk">
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"><tbody><tr><td colspan=3D"1" rowspan=3D"1" valign=3D"top" style=3D"backgr=
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lor=3D"transparent">
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-width:400px;border-radius:0px 0px 2px 2px;border-top:1px solid rgb(224,228=
,233)" border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td cols=
pan=3D"1" rowspan=3D"1" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);padding:=
16px 0px 16px 12px;vertical-align:top;border-radius:0px 0px 0px 2px">
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:12px 24px 16px 12px;width:99%;font-family:YahooSans,"Helvetica Neue&q=
uot;,"Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;border-radius:0px 0px =
2px">
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:YahooSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);max-width:314px">
1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries</h2>
<p style=3D"font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0px;color:rgb(151,155,16=
7)">
We stage a multi-state enduro to find out if today's automotive pioneer=
can outrun its predecessor.</p>
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<div>Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses <a href=3D"mail=
to:pcresch@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">pcresch@yahoo.com</a> <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:resch@reschonline.com" target=3D"_blank">resch@reschonline.com</a></di=
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<div>On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase <<a href=3D=
"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>&=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, there are 7000-something individual=C2=A0cells bundle=
d into about 15 modules that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77k=
Wh battery).
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner <<a shape=
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This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla wreck=
where the battery pack tore apart?=C2=A0 There were thousands of little su=
b-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place.=C2=A0 Somehow I n=
ever dreamed that those power packs were made
up of cells all linked together.=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
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<div><font size=3D"2">Each to their own.=C2=A0 I can't see myself=C2=A0=
ever buying an EV based on the current range and recharging situation where=
they are little more than toys for local journeys.=C2=A0 I</font><font siz=
e=3D"2">f=C2=A0I get to the point when I'm still around and
driving but=C2=A0run out of satisfactory used=C2=A0'real' cars=C2=
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sed on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I'd absolutely consider an=
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