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Re: [Shop-talk] M*th%&$#c<ing small engines d*mn again

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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] M*th%&$#c<ing small engines d*mn again
From: Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:26:26 -0400
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Howdy,

You mentioned that the choke didn't seem to do anything... Is there
something broken in that setup, so that it's messing up the air supply?

Mark

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:09 PM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The carb is getting fuel. I can see it in the fuel lines and it pumps
> using the primer bulb.
>
> The symptoms are identical with the old and new carb. I can't see the end
> of the fuel line but the only remaining fuel issue could be that the new
> fuel filter (a pumice stone-like thing on the end of the fuel line) could
> be restrictive. Working against that theory is that it did the same thing
> with the old fuel filter.
>
> I don't think the problem is the fuel system. The problem is...what's
> left? I swapped the spark plug just to do it.
>
> It's a four-cycle engine. Might the valves (like the intake and exhaust
> valves in the head) come out of adjustment? This condition has been
> developing over more than a year...perhaps the valves are slowly coming out
> of adjustment?
>
> I don't know what conditions un-adjusted valves cause. I can't think of
> what else it could be.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you confirm whether it is actually getting fuel to the carb? Try
>> starting it with ether/carb cleaner/gasoline directly to the carb?
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Al Fuller
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Scott
>> Hall
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:06 PM
>> *To:* Shop-talk@autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* [Shop-talk] M*th%&$#c<ing small engines d*mn again
>>
>>
>>
>> Troy Bilt four-stroke backpack leaf blower.
>>
>>
>>
>> Replaced the carb and plug.
>>
>>
>>
>> No change in symptoms: hard start, choke useless, engine bogs on
>> application of throttle.
>>
>>
>>
>> That sounds like fuel/air to me. That's the carb. The carb and plug are
>> brand new. The old carb and plug look fine and it's doing the same thing.
>> The carb isn't the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am literally out of ideas. Any idea what to look at next before I just
>> toss it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and (*&^*&%&#()_#@&*$&#^&^%.
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br>You mentioned that the choke didn&#39;t see=
m to do anything... Is there something broken in that setup, so that it&#39=
;s messing up the air supply?<br><br>Mark</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:09 =
PM Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.hall.personal@gmail.com";>scott.ha=
ll.personal@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">The carb is getting fuel. I can see i=
t in the fuel lines and it pumps using the primer bulb.=C2=A0<div><br></div=
><div>The symptoms are identical with the old and new carb. I can&#39;t see=
 the end of the fuel line but the only remaining fuel issue could be that t=
he new fuel filter (a pumice stone-like thing on the end of the fuel line) =
could be restrictive. Working against that theory is that it did the same t=
hing with the old fuel filter.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t t=
hink the problem is the fuel system. The problem is...what&#39;s left? I sw=
apped the spark plug just to do it.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s=
 a four-cycle engine. Might the valves (like the intake and exhaust valves =
in the head) come out of adjustment? This condition has been developing ove=
r more than a year...perhaps the valves are slowly coming out of adjustment=
?</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t know what conditions un-adjusted val=
ves cause. I can&#39;t think of what else it could be.</div></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 5, =
2020 at 3:23 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ca=
n you confirm whether it is actually getting fuel to the carb? Try starting=
 it with ether/carb cleaner/gasoline directly to the carb?<u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">----=
------------<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">All the best,<u></u><u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">Al Fuller<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;bord=
er-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Beh=
alf Of </b>Scott Hall<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:06 PM<br>=
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">Sh=
op-talk@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] M*th%&amp;$#c&lt;=
ing small engines d*mn again<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Troy Bilt four-stroke b=
ackpack=C2=A0leaf blower.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Replaced the carb and=
 plug.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No change in symptoms: hard start,=
 choke useless, engine bogs on application of throttle.<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">That sounds like fuel/air to me. That&#39;s the carb. The ca=
rb and plug are brand new. The old carb and plug look fine and it&#39;s doi=
ng the same thing. The carb isn&#39;t the problem.<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">I am literally out of ideas. Any idea what to look at next before=
 I just toss it?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks and (*&amp;^*&amp=
;%&amp;#()_#@&amp;*$&amp;#^&amp;^%.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Scott=
<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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