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Re: [Shop-talk] M*th%&$#c<ing small engines d*mn again

To: Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] M*th%&$#c<ing small engines d*mn again
From: Phillip Farmer <marlinswimmer@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 16:32:40 -0500
Cc: ShopTalk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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Check that the exhaust (little screen filter) is not plugged up with
exhaust crud.  Can cause those symptoms.

P. Farmer
870-723-3320


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:26 PM Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com> wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> You mentioned that the choke didn't seem to do anything... Is there
> something broken in that setup, so that it's messing up the air supply?
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:09 PM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The carb is getting fuel. I can see it in the fuel lines and it pumps
>> using the primer bulb.
>>
>> The symptoms are identical with the old and new carb. I can't see the end
>> of the fuel line but the only remaining fuel issue could be that the new
>> fuel filter (a pumice stone-like thing on the end of the fuel line) could
>> be restrictive. Working against that theory is that it did the same thing
>> with the old fuel filter.
>>
>> I don't think the problem is the fuel system. The problem is...what's
>> left? I swapped the spark plug just to do it.
>>
>> It's a four-cycle engine. Might the valves (like the intake and exhaust
>> valves in the head) come out of adjustment? This condition has been
>> developing over more than a year...perhaps the valves are slowly coming out
>> of adjustment?
>>
>> I don't know what conditions un-adjusted valves cause. I can't think of
>> what else it could be.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you confirm whether it is actually getting fuel to the carb? Try
>>> starting it with ether/carb cleaner/gasoline directly to the carb?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Al Fuller
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Scott
>>> Hall
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:06 PM
>>> *To:* Shop-talk@autox.team.net
>>> *Subject:* [Shop-talk] M*th%&$#c<ing small engines d*mn again
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Troy Bilt four-stroke backpack leaf blower.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Replaced the carb and plug.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No change in symptoms: hard start, choke useless, engine bogs on
>>> application of throttle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That sounds like fuel/air to me. That's the carb. The carb and plug are
>>> brand new. The old carb and plug look fine and it's doing the same thing.
>>> The carb isn't the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am literally out of ideas. Any idea what to look at next before I just
>>> toss it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and (*&^*&%&#()_#@&*$&#^&^%.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Check that the exhaust (little screen filter) is not plugg=
ed up with exhaust crud.=C2=A0 Can cause those symptoms.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br cle=
ar=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=
=3D"gmail_signature"><br>P. Farmer<br>870-723-3320<br></div></div><br></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On We=
d, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:26 PM Mark Andy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:marka@maracing.co=
m">marka@maracing.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br>You mentioned that the=
 choke didn&#39;t seem to do anything... Is there something broken in that =
setup, so that it&#39;s messing up the air supply?<br><br>Mark</div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed,=
 Aug 5, 2020 at 5:09 PM Scott Hall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.hall.persona=
l@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">scott.hall.personal@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">The carb is getting fuel. I can see it in the fuel lines and it pumps usi=
ng the primer bulb.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>The symptoms are identical wit=
h the old and new carb. I can&#39;t see the end of the fuel line but the on=
ly remaining fuel issue could be that the new fuel filter (a pumice stone-l=
ike thing on the end of the fuel line) could be restrictive. Working agains=
t that theory is that it did the same thing with the old fuel filter.=C2=A0=
</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t think the problem is the fuel system.=
 The problem is...what&#39;s left? I swapped the spark plug just to do it.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s a four-cycle engine. Might the val=
ves (like the intake and exhaust valves in the head) come out of adjustment=
? This condition has been developing over more than a year...perhaps the va=
lves are slowly coming out of adjustment?</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#3=
9;t know what conditions un-adjusted valves cause. I can&#39;t think of wha=
t else it could be.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:alfuller194@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=
=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Can you confirm whether it is actual=
ly getting fuel to the carb? Try starting it with ether/carb cleaner/gasoli=
ne directly to the carb?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">----------------<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">All the best,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Al Fuller<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none=
;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);=
padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">shop-talk=
-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Hall<br><b>Sent:<=
/b> Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:Shop-=
talk@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> [Shop-talk] M*th%&amp;$#c&lt;ing small engines d*mn again<u></u=
><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Troy Bilt four-stroke backpack=C2=A0leaf blower.<u></u><u=
></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Replaced the carb and plug.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">No change in symptoms: hard start, choke useless, engine bogs on app=
lication of throttle.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">That sounds like fu=
el/air to me. That&#39;s the carb. The carb and plug are brand new. The old=
 carb and plug look fine and it&#39;s doing the same thing. The carb isn&#3=
9;t the problem.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am literally out of id=
eas. Any idea what to look at next before I just toss it?<u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks and (*&amp;^*&amp;%&amp;#()_#@&amp;*$&amp;#^&amp;^%=
.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Scott<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></di=
v></div></blockquote></div>
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