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I was thinking a dirty battery clamp.
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 6, 2021 4:18 am
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problems with truck
When it died, did any of the electrical items still work?=C2=A0 Lights, etc=
.?
My suspicion based on reading this at 5:00 AM is an intermittent short
in the battery itself.=C2=A0 Regular lead-acid battery?
Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.
On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:07 AM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>
> Took the truck (53 ford f-100) out for a drive yesterday=E2=80=A6first ti=
me since the Grand Nationals (I=E2=80=99ve been busy) Ran great for about 3=
0 minutes with a couple of stops during the ride=E2=80=A6 each time it star=
ted right and showed no problems. Electric fan and a/c running the whole ti=
me As I pulled out of one business and headed home the truck stumbled and d=
ied..almost like it was out of gas=E2=80=A6 ( had over a half a tank) I pul=
led into a business and tried to start it and all I got was a =E2=80=98clic=
k=E2=80=9D. Dash Volt meter read about 11 volts with switch on and dropped =
to zero when hitting the starter. Waited about 10 minutes and it started ri=
ght up=E2=80=A6 got it home, shut it off and same thing =E2=80=9Cclick=E2=
=80=9D.
>
> Battery has been on a battery tender full time since May and showed 13.7 =
volts on VOM connected to the battery before the ride.
>
> Battery is 2 years old Everstart Maxx27 800 CCA =E2=80=A6
>
> Davis DUI ignition (which could have quit when battery voltage got low)
>
> All cables are new with 1/0 welding cable for starting circuit and batter=
y ground to frame
> engine to frame, frame to cab and frame to bed are all #4 wire to bare me=
tal connection points with dialectic grease.
>
> At first glance...when running,=C2=A0 the volt meter on dash shows over 1=
3 volts so I think alternator is good
>
> did a load test with a H.F. (100 amp) load tester showed battery dropping=
to 10 volts during 10 second load... recovered to 12.
>
> Put truck up on stands and dropped battery (under cab)=C2=A0 checked all =
cables and connections from battery to starter including solenoid and groun=
d connections.
> all tight, no corrosion on terminals and=C2=A0 cells full.=C2=A0 this tru=
ck finished last year and everything is new.=C2=A0 Starter solenoid is a Co=
le-Hersee 200 amp continuous draw solenoid.
>
> Starter is new last year and 6-7 inches away and below headers so heat so=
ak isn't causing the problem
>
> Set it back down and charged it for 30 minutes at 10 amps... battery show=
ed 12.9 volts..=C2=A0 started ok and put meter on alternator
> terminals... alternator putting out 14.5 - 14.8 volts...=C2=A0 varies a l=
ittle with engine speed.... so alternator is good I think.
>
>=C2=A0 I did a load test again.,.. idle voltage reading 12.9 volts on two =
different fluke meters... and during the load test it dropped to 12.3 then =
recovered to 12.7...so I'm assuming the battery is good, it was just low be=
fore the first load test.
>
> here's an odd thing.. I have a 12 volt terminal on the right frame rail t=
hat powers the elec radiator fan, tilt hood motors and trinary switch
>
> with the a/c on, headlights on and elec radiator fan running (as much loa=
d as I can put on it)... the alternator o/p at 14.5 volts, the voltage at t=
he terminal on rail reads 11.5 volts.=C2=A0 The terminal is 4' from battery=
and fed with #4 stranded wire.
>
> that's about all the detail I can give you... any ideas why it stalled an=
d quit..???=C2=A0 and why the terminal point only reads 11.5 versus the 14.=
5 at the alternator.
>
> I'm at the wall
>
> thanks
> john
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size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com><br>
To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net><br>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Fri, Aug 6, 2021 4:18 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problems with truck<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">When it died, did any of the electrical items still work?&=
nbsp; Lights, etc.?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">My suspicion based=
on reading this at 5:00 AM is an intermittent short<br clear=3D"none">in t=
he battery itself. Regular lead-acid battery?<br clear=3D"none"><br c=
lear=3D"none">Jeff Scarbrough<br clear=3D"none">Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br cle=
ar=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:07 AM john niolon =
<<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net"; href=3D"mailto:jni=
olon@att.net">jniolon@att.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">><br clea=
r=3D"none">> Took the truck (53 ford f-100) out for a drive yesterday=E2=
=80=A6first time since the Grand Nationals (I=E2=80=99ve been busy) Ran gre=
at for about 30 minutes with a couple of stops during the ride=E2=80=A6 eac=
h time it started right and showed no problems. Electric fan and a/c runnin=
g the whole time As I pulled out of one business and headed home the truck =
stumbled and died..almost like it was out of gas=E2=80=A6 ( had over a half=
a tank) I pulled into a business and tried to start it and all I got was a=
=E2=80=98click=E2=80=9D. Dash Volt meter read about 11 volts with switch o=
n and dropped to zero when hitting the starter. Waited about 10 minutes and=
it started right up=E2=80=A6 got it home, shut it off and same thing =E2=
=80=9Cclick=E2=80=9D.<br clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> Battery=
has been on a battery tender full time since May and showed 13.7 volts on =
VOM connected to the battery before the ride.<br clear=3D"none">><br cle=
ar=3D"none">> Battery is 2 years old Everstart Maxx27 800 CCA =E2=80=A6<=
br clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> Davis DUI ignition (which cou=
ld have quit when battery voltage got low)<br clear=3D"none">><br clear=
=3D"none">> All cables are new with 1/0 welding cable for starting circu=
it and battery ground to frame<br clear=3D"none">> engine to frame, fram=
e to cab and frame to bed are all #4 wire to bare metal connection points w=
ith dialectic grease.<br clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> At firs=
t glance...when running, the volt meter on dash shows over 13 volts s=
o I think alternator is good<br clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> =
did a load test with a H.F. (100 amp) load tester showed battery dropping t=
o 10 volts during 10 second load... recovered to 12.<br clear=3D"none">>=
<br clear=3D"none">> Put truck up on stands and dropped battery (under c=
ab) checked all cables and connections from battery to starter includ=
ing solenoid and ground connections.<br clear=3D"none">> all tight, no c=
orrosion on terminals and cells full. this truck finished last =
year and everything is new. Starter solenoid is a Cole-Hersee 200 amp=
continuous draw solenoid.<br clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> St=
arter is new last year and 6-7 inches away and below headers so heat soak i=
sn't causing the problem<br clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> Set =
it back down and charged it for 30 minutes at 10 amps... battery showed 12.=
9 volts.. started ok and put meter on alternator<br clear=3D"none">&g=
t; terminals... alternator putting out 14.5 - 14.8 volts... varies a =
little with engine speed.... so alternator is good I think.<br clear=3D"non=
e">><br clear=3D"none">> I did a load test again.,.. idle volta=
ge reading 12.9 volts on two different fluke meters... and during the load =
test it dropped to 12.3 then recovered to 12.7...so I'm assuming the batter=
y is good, it was just low before the first load test.<br clear=3D"none">&g=
t;<br clear=3D"none">> here's an odd thing.. I have a 12 volt terminal o=
n the right frame rail that powers the elec radiator fan, tilt hood motors =
and trinary switch<br clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> with the a=
/c on, headlights on and elec radiator fan running (as much load as I can p=
ut on it)... the alternator o/p at 14.5 volts, the voltage at the terminal =
on rail reads 11.5 volts. The terminal is 4' from battery and fed wit=
h #4 stranded wire.<br clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> that's ab=
out all the detail I can give you... any ideas why it stalled and quit..???=
and why the terminal point only reads 11.5 versus the 14.5 at the a=
lternator.<br clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> I'm at the wall<br=
clear=3D"none">><br clear=3D"none">> thanks<br clear=3D"none">> j=
ohn<br clear=3D"none">> _______________________________________________<=
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