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Can it be welded in place? There is no future reason to remove it. Only down=
side is if the welding doesn=E2=80=99t go well they will need to replace the=
whole thing. That goop the tech put on may be a bitch to take off for weldi=
ng.=20
Either way, it would be good to do some research to see what a good replacem=
ent would be for down the road.=20
Peace,
Pat
Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity
On Nov 8, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFThanks, Pat. You are correct that a replacement is unavailable. T=
he furnace is just too old. As for having it welded, I should add that my b=
rother-in-law - who lives nearby and is an engineer with tons of local trade=
contacts - looked at it and concluded that trying to remove it for welding w=
as not a good option. Surprisingly, he did not tell her to replace the syst=
em immediately, which was surprising as he is someone who generally errs on t=
he side of caution in matters like this. It has been a while since he looke=
d at it (they have owned if for a year but not lived in it do to other exten=
sive renovations) but I will also call him to discuss it.
> On Nov 8, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
>=20
> Jim, you hit on most of what I was thinking. At a MINIMUM I=E2=80=99d add a=
second CO detector.=20
>=20
> I assume a replacement manifold is unavailable. You might take your photos=
around to some welders to get their opinions & prices.=20
>=20
> The cost of repairs or replacement are nowhere as dear as losing someone t=
o a faulty furnace.=20
>=20
> Peace,
> Pat
>=20
> Pat Horne=20
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>=20
>=20
> On Nov 8, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFMy daughter and her boyfriend have bought a turn of the century h=
ouse with an ancient coal-fired furnace that was long ago converted to natur=
al gas. It works fine and they=E2=80=99d like to put off replacing it for a=
s long as possible while they invest their money in other parts of the house=
. However, the furnace has a cast iron exhaust manifold that is cracked pre=
tty badly and it scares the hell out of me. Following are some screenshots f=
rom a video she sent me, starting with the overall exhaust.
>=20
> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.19.11 AM.png>
>=20
> You can see the top of the manifold in the lower right. Here is a side vi=
ew:
>=20
> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.12.34 AM.png>
>=20
> The orange goop was applied by a furnace tech they hired, who said he real=
ly shouldn=E2=80=99t have touched it at all but did what he could.l. However=
, here is a shot just below the goop:
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> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.13.09 AM.png>
>=20
> And, a shot from the other side:
>=20
> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.27.00 AM.png>
>=20
> As you can see - assuming the photos come through - the manifold is totall=
y shot, although it feels solid and doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be in danger o=
f falling off. In theory, it could be removed and taken someplace that does=
cast iron welding, but I suspect that would be a royal pain and not guarant=
eed to succeed. She has a CO2 detector in the basement, but I will be visit=
ing her next week and want to try to do more. =E2=80=9CMore=E2=80=9D might b=
e trying to convince them to bite the bullet and replace the system immediat=
ely, but I have also thought about treating it like an automotive exhaust sy=
stem and trying to patch it to get them by for a season or two. What are th=
e group's thoughts on something like JB Weld High Heat putty (https://www.am=
azon.com/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26RI/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2/138-610=
4268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&=
pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd_r=3D623d1e00-f712-4380-897c-474fe9ee633=
7&pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&psc=3D1) and/or their high heat wrap=
(https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b_5_t)?
>=20
> Thanks,
> Jim (and Sara)
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Can it be welded in place? There is no futu=
re reason to remove it. Only downside is if the welding doesn=E2=80=99t go w=
ell they will need to replace the whole thing. That goop the tech put on may=
be a bitch to take off for welding. <div><br></div><div>Either way, it=
would be good to do some research to see what a good replacement would be f=
or down the road. </div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div><div>Pat<br><br=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne <div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><=
div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Nov 8, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Jim St=
one <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">=
Thanks, Pat. You are correct that a replacement is unavailable. =
The furnace is just too old. As for having it welded, I should add tha=
t my brother-in-law - who lives nearby and is an engineer with tons of local=
trade contacts - looked at it and concluded that trying to remove it for we=
lding was not a good option. Surprisingly, he did not tell her to repl=
ace the system immediately, which was surprising as he is someone who genera=
lly errs on the side of caution in matters like this. It has been a wh=
ile since he looked at it (they have owned if for a year but not lived in it=
do to other extensive renovations) but I will also call him to discuss it.<=
div class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div=
class=3D"">On Nov 8, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Pat Horne <<a href=3D"mailto:pat=
intexas@icloud.com" class=3D"">patintexas@icloud.com</a>> wrote:</div><br=
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"=
class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica=
; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weigh=
t: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text=
-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-strok=
e-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important=
;" class=3D"">Jim, you hit on most of what I was thinking. At a MINIMUM I=E2=
=80=99d add a second CO detector. </span><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font=
-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-ali=
gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word=
-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=
=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-fam=
ily: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: norm=
al; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-ind=
ent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -web=
kit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">I assume a re=
placement manifold is unavailable. You might take your photos around to some=
welders to get their opinions & prices. </div><div style=3D"caret-=
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: no=
rmal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal=
; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: no=
rmal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: no=
ne;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0)=
; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-=
caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start=
; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing:=
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">The=
cost of repairs or replacement are nowhere as dear as losing someone to a f=
aulty furnace. </div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-fami=
ly: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-inde=
nt: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webk=
it-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br class=3D""=
></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font=
-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: nor=
mal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-trans=
form: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-widt=
h: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Peace,</div><div style=3D"caret-c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: nor=
mal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;=
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nor=
mal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: non=
e;" class=3D"">Pat<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=
Pat Horne <div class=3D"">We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div cla=
ss=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D"=
">On Nov 8, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Jim Stone <<a href=3D"mailto:1789alpine@gma=
il.com" class=3D"">1789alpine@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br cla=
ss=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BFMy daughter and her boyfr=
iend have bought a turn of the century house with an ancient coal-fired furn=
ace that was long ago converted to natural gas. It works fine and they=
=E2=80=99d like to put off replacing it for as long as possible while they i=
nvest their money in other parts of the house. However, the furnace ha=
s a cast iron exhaust manifold that is cracked pretty badly and it scares th=
e hell out of me. Following are some screenshots from a video she sent=
me, starting with the overall exhaust.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>=
<div class=3D""><div class=3D""><Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.19.11 AM.pn=
g></div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">You ca=
n see the top of the manifold in the lower right. Here is a side view:=
</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">&=
lt;Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.12.34 AM.png></div></div><div class=3D"">=
<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The orange goop was applied by a furnac=
e tech they hired, who said he really shouldn=E2=80=99t have touched it at a=
ll but did what he could.l. However, here is a shot just below the goop:</di=
v><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><S=
creen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.13.09 AM.png></div></div><div class=3D""><br c=
lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">And, a shot from the other side:</div><div c=
lass=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><Screen Sh=
ot 2021-11-08 at 10.27.00 AM.png></div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div><div class=3D"">As you can see - assuming the photos come through -=
the manifold is totally shot, although it feels solid and doesn=E2=80=99t a=
ppear to be in danger of falling off. In theory, it could be removed a=
nd taken someplace that does cast iron welding, but I suspect that would be a=
royal pain and not guaranteed to succeed. She has a CO2 detector in t=
he basement, but I will be visiting her next week and want to try to do more=
. =E2=80=9CMore=E2=80=9D might be trying to convince them to bite the b=
ullet and replace the system immediately, but I have also thought about trea=
ting it like an automotive exhaust system and trying to patch it to get them=
by for a season or two. What are the group's thoughts on something li=
ke JB Weld High Heat putty (<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/J-B-Weld-8297-=
HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26RI/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2/138-6104268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3D=
nQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=3D2F076=
DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd_r=3D623d1e00-f712-4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&pd_rd=
_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&psc=3D1" class=3D"">https://www.ama=
zon.com/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26RI/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2/138-6104=
268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f7398=
9b&pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd_r=3D623d1e00-f712-4380-897c-=
474fe9ee6337&pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&psc=3D1</a>) a=
nd/or their high heat wrap (<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N582CBY/=
ref=3Demc_b_5_t" class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b=
_5_t</a>)?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,=
</div><div class=3D"">Jim (and Sara)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></d=
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