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Thanks, guys. I am going to work on getting them to deal with this =
properly and get a new furnace. And, given current supply and labor =
shortages, I=E2=80=99ll also do what I can to patch the system for now.
> On Nov 8, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Berry Kercheval <berry@kerch.com> wrote:
>=20
> I think cast iron can be brazed much more easily than welded. I had =
it done once on an old car=E2=80=99s exhaust manifold for which a =
replacement was either unavailable or prohibitively expensive. Worked =
fine for me.
>=20
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:33 AM Ian McFetridge =
> It might also be helpful to have a CO detector rather than just an =
alarm, like the below that allows ppm of CO to be monitored for trends, =
changes as it heats and expands, etc. It's a shame the AirThings =
detectors don't have CO since they also monitor particulate matter, =
CO2, VOC and radon. =20
> https://www.trutechtools.com/Defender-CA6150 =
<https://www.trutechtools.com/Defender-CA6150>
>=20
> Best,
> Ian
>=20
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 12:00 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com =
> Thanks, guys. (And, thanks for the =E2=80=9CCO=E2=80=9D correction. =
I guess just too much talk about CO2 in the news these days.)
>=20
> I will confirm this tonight, but my guess is that there is no one =
around who could handle the job if my brother-in-law doesn=E2=80=99t =
know anyone. (He is a local with deep, deep ties to the area.) I will =
discuss it again with him and my daughter and we=E2=80=99ll try to find =
a safe solution. If I can, I will persuade them to just bite the bullet =
and replace it. Truth be told, it is really the boyfriend=E2=80=99s =
house and he has spent a small fortune on things that show, like the =
kitchen and bathrooms, but been more stingy with something like this =
that he can=E2=80=99t see. I may just have to try to convince him that =
this is more important and, failing that, patch it and then keep working =
on him.
>=20
> Jim=20
>=20
>> On Nov 8, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com =
>>=20
>> It needs to be replaced, but in the interim an important question is =
whether the crack closes up when it gets hot. I had a split manifold on =
a car that was not visible. I could clearly hear it when cold, but =
closed up as the manifold heated up and expanded. When it was finally =
replace, the crack was clearly visible.
>> =20
>> This, being and older home, is likely somewhat drafty. This is not =
bad right now. Regardless, if they continue to use it, additional CO =
monitors would definitely be a good idea.
>> =20
>> I suspect high temp goo might work out, but prepare for the worst.
>> =20
>> Jack
>> =20
>> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net =
>> Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 8:18 AM
>> Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net =
>> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ancient furnace with cracked manifold
>> =20
>> Thanks, Pat. You are correct that a replacement is unavailable. The =
furnace is just too old. As for having it welded, I should add that my =
brother-in-law - who lives nearby and is an engineer with tons of local =
trade contacts - looked at it and concluded that trying to remove it for =
welding was not a good option. Surprisingly, he did not tell her to =
replace the system immediately, which was surprising as he is someone =
who generally errs on the side of caution in matters like this. It has =
been a while since he looked at it (they have owned if for a year but =
not lived in it do to other extensive renovations) but I will also call =
him to discuss it.
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Nov 8, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com =
>> =20
>> Jim, you hit on most of what I was thinking. At a MINIMUM I=E2=80=99d =
add a second CO detector.=20
>> =20
>> I assume a replacement manifold is unavailable. You might take your =
photos around to some welders to get their opinions & prices.=20
>> =20
>> The cost of repairs or replacement are nowhere as dear as losing =
someone to a faulty furnace.=20
>> =20
>> Peace,
>> Pat
>>=20
>> Pat Horne=20
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>> =20
>>=20
>> On Nov 8, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com =
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFMy daughter and her boyfriend have bought a turn of the =
century house with an ancient coal-fired furnace that was long ago =
converted to natural gas. It works fine and they=E2=80=99d like to put =
off replacing it for as long as possible while they invest their money =
in other parts of the house. However, the furnace has a cast iron =
exhaust manifold that is cracked pretty badly and it scares the hell out =
of me. Following are some screenshots from a video she sent me, =
starting with the overall exhaust.
>> =20
>> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.19.11 AM.png>
>> =20
>> You can see the top of the manifold in the lower right. Here is a =
side view:
>> =20
>> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.12.34 AM.png>
>> =20
>> The orange goop was applied by a furnace tech they hired, who said he =
really shouldn=E2=80=99t have touched it at all but did what he could.l. =
However, here is a shot just below the goop:
>> =20
>> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.13.09 AM.png>
>> =20
>> And, a shot from the other side:
>> =20
>> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.27.00 AM.png>
>> =20
>> As you can see - assuming the photos come through - the manifold is =
totally shot, although it feels solid and doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be =
in danger of falling off. In theory, it could be removed and taken =
someplace that does cast iron welding, but I suspect that would be a =
royal pain and not guaranteed to succeed. She has a CO2 detector in the =
basement, but I will be visiting her next week and want to try to do =
more. =E2=80=9CMore=E2=80=9D might be trying to convince them to bite =
the bullet and replace the system immediately, but I have also thought =
about treating it like an automotive exhaust system and trying to patch =
it to get them by for a season or two. What are the group's thoughts on =
something like JB Weld High Heat putty =
(https://www.amazon.com/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26RI/ref=3D=
pd_bxgy_2/138-6104268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c41c-422e=
-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd_r=3D623d1e00-f712-=
4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&psc=3D1 =
<https://www.amazon.com/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26RI/ref=3D=
pd_bxgy_2/138-6104268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c41c-422e=
-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd_r=3D623d1e00-f712-=
4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&psc=3D1>) =
and/or their high heat wrap =
(https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b_5_t =
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b_5_t>)?
>> =20
>> Thanks,
>> Jim (and Sara)
>> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thanks, guys. I am going to work on getting them to =
deal with this properly and get a new furnace. And, given current =
supply and labor shortages, I=E2=80=99ll also do what I can to patch the =
system for now.<div class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov 8, 2021, at 1:58 PM, =
Berry Kercheval <<a href=3D"mailto:berry@kerch.com"; =
class=3D"">berry@kerch.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">I think cast iron can be brazed much more easily than =
welded. I had it done once on an old car=E2=80=99s exhaust =
manifold for which a replacement was either unavailable or prohibitively =
expensive. Worked fine for me.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:33 AM Ian McFetridge =
<<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org"; =
class=3D"">shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">It might also be helpful to have a CO detector rather than =
just an alarm, like the below that allows ppm of CO to be monitored for =
trends, changes as it heats and expands, etc. It's a shame the =
AirThings detectors don't have CO since they also monitor particulate =
matter, CO2, VOC and radon. <div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.trutechtools.com/Defender-CA6150"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://www.trutechtools.com/Defender-CA6150</a><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Best,</div><div class=3D"">Ian</div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 12:00 PM Jim Stone <<a =
href=3D"mailto:1789alpine@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">1789alpine@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">Thanks, guys. =
(And, thanks for the =E2=80=9CCO=E2=80=9D correction. I =
guess just too much talk about CO2 in the news these days.)<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I will confirm this =
tonight, but my guess is that there is no one around who could handle =
the job if my brother-in-law doesn=E2=80=99t know anyone. (He is a =
local with deep, deep ties to the area.) I will discuss it again =
with him and my daughter and we=E2=80=99ll try to find a safe =
solution. If I can, I will persuade them to just bite the bullet =
and replace it. Truth be told, it is really the boyfriend=E2=80=99s =
house and he has spent a small fortune on things that show, like the =
kitchen and bathrooms, but been more stingy with something like this =
that he can=E2=80=99t see. I may just have to try to convince him =
that this is more important and, failing that, patch it and then keep =
working on him.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Jim <br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov =
8, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Jack Brooks <<a href=3D"mailto:JIBrooks@live.com"=
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">JIBrooks@live.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;t=
ext-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;tex=
t-decoration:none" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)" class=3D"">It needs to be =
replaced, but in the interim an important question is whether the crack =
closes up when it gets hot. I had a split manifold on a car that =
was not visible. I could clearly hear it when cold, but closed up =
as the manifold heated up and expanded. When it was finally =
replace, the crack was clearly visible.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)" class=3D"">This, being and older =
home, is likely somewhat drafty. This is not bad right now. =
Regardless, if they continue to use it, additional CO monitors would =
definitely be a good idea.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)" class=3D"">I suspect high temp goo =
might work out, but prepare for the worst.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)" class=3D"">Jack<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style:solid none =
none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt =
0in 0in" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D""> </span>Shop-talk =
<<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span =
class=3D""> </span><b class=3D"">On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D""> </span></b>Jim Stone<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span class=3D""> </span>Monday, November 8, =
2021 8:18 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D""> </span>Pat Horne <<a =
href=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">patintexas@icloud.com</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D""> </span>Shop Talk <<a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span class=3D""> </span>Re: [Shop-talk] =
Ancient furnace with cracked manifold<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Thanks, Pat. You are correct that a replacement is =
unavailable. The furnace is just too old. As for having it =
welded, I should add that my brother-in-law - who lives nearby and is an =
engineer with tons of local trade contacts - looked at it and concluded =
that trying to remove it for welding was not a good option. =
Surprisingly, he did not tell her to replace the system immediately, =
which was surprising as he is someone who generally errs on the side of =
caution in matters like this. It has been a while since he looked =
at it (they have owned if for a year but not lived in it do to other =
extensive renovations) but I will also call him to discuss it.<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div=
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D"">On Nov 8, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Pat Horne <<a =
href=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com"; =
style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">patintexas@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><u class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Jim, you hit on most of what I was thinking. At a MINIMUM =
I=E2=80=99d add a second CO detector. </span><u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"">I =
assume a replacement manifold is unavailable. You might take your photos =
around to some welders to get their opinions & prices. <u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"">The=
cost of repairs or replacement are nowhere as dear as losing someone to =
a faulty furnace. <u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Peace,<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Pat<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></p><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"">Pat=
Horne <u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"">We =
support Habitat for Humanity<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in =
12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><br=
class=3D"">On Nov 8, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Jim Stone <<a =
href=3D"mailto:1789alpine@gmail.com"; =
style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">1789alpine@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif" =
class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"">My =
daughter and her boyfriend have bought a turn of the century house with =
an ancient coal-fired furnace that was long ago converted to natural =
gas. It works fine and they=E2=80=99d like to put off replacing it =
for as long as possible while they invest their money in other parts of =
the house. However, the furnace has a cast iron exhaust manifold =
that is cracked pretty badly and it scares the hell out of me. =
Following are some screenshots from a video she sent me, starting with =
the overall exhaust.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.19.11 AM.png><u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"">You=
can see the top of the manifold in the lower right. Here is a =
side view:<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.12.34 AM.png><u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"">The=
orange goop was applied by a furnace tech they hired, who said he =
really shouldn=E2=80=99t have touched it at all but did what he could.l. =
However, here is a shot just below the goop:<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.13.09 AM.png><u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" =
class=3D"">And, a shot from the other side:<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.27.00 AM.png><u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"">As =
you can see - assuming the photos come through - the manifold is totally =
shot, although it feels solid and doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be in danger =
of falling off. In theory, it could be removed and taken someplace =
that does cast iron welding, but I suspect that would be a royal pain =
and not guaranteed to succeed. She has a CO2 detector in the =
basement, but I will be visiting her next week and want to try to do =
more. =E2=80=9CMore=E2=80=9D might be trying to convince them to =
bite the bullet and replace the system immediately, but I have also =
thought about treating it like an automotive exhaust system and trying =
to patch it to get them by for a season or two. What are the =
group's thoughts on something like JB Weld High Heat putty (<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26RI=
/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2/138-6104268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372f=
a-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd=
_r=3D623d1e00-f712-4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=
=3DB007PP26RI&psc=3D1" style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" =
target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP2=
6RI/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2/138-6104268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc643=
72fa-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd=
_rd_r=3D623d1e00-f712-4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_r=
d_i=3DB007PP26RI&psc=3D1</a>) and/or their high heat wrap (<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b_5_t"; =
style=3D"color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b_5_t</a>)?<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D""><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" =
class=3D"">Thanks,<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"">Jim=
(and Sara)<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></span></div></div><div =
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style=3D"margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" =
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