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From: Douglas Shook <dirtbeard@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, May 25, 2025 at 7:03=E2=80=AFAM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
To: Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com>
First I will say that I am not a transmission expert.
I have, however, rebuilt several gearboxes including the Healey rib case in
my Lotus Eleven and one in my BSA B50 motorcycle, and have listened at
length to different gearbox noises.
>From the description of it being gear specific and only under acceleration,
If it only occurred in one gear and ticked or chattered, I would postulate
that you have pitting or chipped teeth on the "drive-side" face of the main
shaft and layshaft teeth for that gear.
I do not know the internals of that specific gearbox, but the fact that it
occurs on 3rd - 5th and it is whirring, I would suggest you have a failing
bearing, probably on the layshaft.
It may last for a long time, or it could spit-out some needle rollers
(assuming it uses needle roller bearings on the layshaft) and have an
immediate failure for those gears.
I am surmising that because it does not occur in the lower gears, it mostly
likely is not a mainshaft bearing. If I am correct and the bearing fails,
you might be able to limp home in the lower gears as long as the rollers do
not land in some inopportune location inside the gearbox. ;-)
For what it is worth... ;-)
Best,
doug
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 6:27=E2=80=AFAM Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com=
> wrote:
> I put < *2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a
> 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher *
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=3D2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manua=
l+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=3D=
1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=3Dchrome&ie=3DUTF-8>
> >
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=3D2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manua=
l+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=3D=
1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=3Dchrome&ie=3DUTF-8>
> into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual answer
> but maybe it's in there somewhere...
>
> EjR
>
> On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40=E2=80=AFAM Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
>
>> Braintrust,
>>
>> I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.
>> Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.
>>
>> The issue, 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes =
a
>> 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.
>>
>> Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise
>> mechanic shop. (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)
>>
>> When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charg=
e
>> you to look at it." So since she already suspected they caused the issu=
es,
>> she didn't want to give them more money.
>>
>> She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new
>> transmission." That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep.=
So
>> they just did a fluid change, and that was it. Note, in their carfax
>> report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition=
to
>> the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.
>>
>> It's a manual 5 speed. I checked the fluid level and it is exactly wher=
e
>> it should be. So I did a road test.
>>
>> Here is the crazy part.
>> There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission
>> problems. No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong. =
No
>> vibrations. The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when yo=
u
>> give it throttle.
>>
>> So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the ga=
s
>> pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.
>>
>> If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise. If you are engine braking=
,
>> no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the
>> slightest.
>>
>> Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.
>>
>> I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it
>> start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed a=
nd
>> that it's a simple fix.
>>
>> I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that
>> doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car. She is also a
>> good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)
>>
>> Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the
>> Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what
>> country you are from.)
>>
>> Have a great weekend!
>>
>> Moose_______________________________________________
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I r=
ealize that I did not reply to the group...</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">----------=
Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class=3D"gmail_sendername" di=
r=3D"auto">Douglas Shook</strong> <span dir=3D"auto"><<a href=3D"mailto:=
dirtbeard@gmail.com">dirtbeard@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Sun, May 2=
5, 2025 at 7:03=E2=80=AFAM<br>Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission =
issue???<br>To: Eric Russell <<a href=3D"mailto:ejrussell61@gmail.com";>e=
jrussell61@gmail.com</a>><br></div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=
=3D"font-size:small">First I will say that I am not a transmission expert.<=
/div><div style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:small=
">I have, however, rebuilt several gearboxes including the Healey rib case=
=C2=A0in my Lotus Eleven and one in my BSA B50 motorcycle, and have listene=
d at length to different gearbox noises.</div><div style=3D"font-size:small=
"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:small">From the description of it being=
gear specific and only under acceleration, If it only occurred in one gear=
and ticked or chattered, I would postulate that you have pitting or chippe=
d teeth on the "drive-side" face of the main shaft and layshaft t=
eeth for that gear.</div><div style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div styl=
e=3D"font-size:small">I do not know the internals of that specific gearbox,=
but the fact that it occurs on 3rd - 5th and it is whirring, I would sugge=
st you have a failing bearing, probably on the layshaft.</div><div style=3D=
"font-size:small"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:small">It may last for =
a long time, or it could spit-out some needle rollers (assuming it uses nee=
dle roller=C2=A0bearings on the layshaft) and have an immediate failure for=
those gears.</div><div style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div style=3D"f=
ont-size:small">I am surmising that because it does not occur in the lower =
gears, it mostly likely is not a mainshaft bearing. If I am correct and the=
bearing fails, you might be able to limp home in the lower gears as long a=
s the rollers do not land in some inopportune location inside the gearbox. =
;-)=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div style=3D"font-=
size:small">For what it is worth... ;-)</div><div style=3D"font-size:small"=
><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:small">Best,</div><div style=3D"font-siz=
e:small"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:small">doug</div></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 25,=
2025 at 6:27=E2=80=AFAM Eric Russell <<a href=3D"mailto:ejrussell61@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">ejrussell61@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font =
size=3D"4">I put <a href=3D"https://www.google.com/search?q=3D2017+Jeep+Pat=
riot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27whirring%27+sound+when+d=
riving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=3D1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&sourceid=3Dchrome&a=
mp;ie=3DUTF-8" target=3D"_blank"><=C2=A0<i><span style=3D"font-family:sa=
ns-serif">2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a '=
;whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher</span>=C2=A0</i></a=
></font><span style=3D"font-size:large"><a href=3D"https://www.google.com/s=
earch?q=3D2017+Jeep+Patriot+with+a+5+speed+manual+transmission+makes+a+%27w=
hirring%27+sound+when+driving+in+3rd+gear&rlz=3D1C1GCEU_enUS1160US1160&=
amp;sourceid=3Dchrome&ie=3DUTF-8" target=3D"_blank">></a> into Googl=
e and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual answer but=
maybe it's in there=C2=A0somewhere...=C2=A0</span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:large"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:large=
">EjR=C2=A0</span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40=E2=80=AFAM Moose <<=
a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com"; target=3D"_blank">eric@megageek.com</a>=
> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><fon=
t size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Braintrust,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I don't mess with transmission=
s at all,
so I'm in the dark here.=C2=A0 Hopefully someone has the answer and it&=
#39;s
an easy fix.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">The issue, =C2=A0 2017 Jeep Patrio=
t
with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when dr=
iving
in 3rd gear or higher.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Started about a year ago, when car=
was
picked up from a franchise mechanic shop. =C2=A0(owner of car is a single
woman without much money.) </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">When she called them back they whe=
re
like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it." =C2=A0So
since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to
give them more money.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">She brought it to another shop and=
they
said, "You need a new transmission." =C2=A0That will more than
likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and
that was it.=C2=A0 Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they
"installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change,
so I don't trust them either.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">It's a manual 5 speed.=C2=A0 I=
checked
the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.=C2=A0 So I did a
road test.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Here is the crazy part.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">There is NOTHING that I can feel t=
hat
would indicate any transmission problems.=C2=A0 No slipping, no chucking,
it shifts smooth and pulls strong.=C2=A0 No vibrations.=C2=A0 The only
thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.</font=
>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So if you are going down the stree=
t
at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just
give it a little gas, noise returns.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">If you have it in neutral coasting=
,
no noise.=C2=A0 If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY
if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Note, there is also no noticeable =
noise
in 1st or 2nd gear.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I am thinking that the original sh=
op
did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would
take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I would love to be able to fix thi=
s
as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really ta=
kes
care of her car.=C2=A0 She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would
be bonus points for me. 8>)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks and I hope everyone takes a=
moment
to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our f=
reedoms,
(no matter what country you are from.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Have a great weekend!</font>
<br>
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