Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook

[Douglas Shook <dirtbeard@gmail.com>]

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There literally is much more spam being sent than legitimate emails and the
email providers have had to get more aggressive with their filtering. The
spammers continually evolve their messages real-time to look like
legitimate email, and then the legitimate emails start to look more like
spam and get caught-up in the filters at the domain level as well as at the
individual inbox level.

I was the CIO at the University of Southern California and we received over
30 million emails each day with 90+% of them being phishes, spams, sales,
etc. It almost is like extortion as we needed to keep buying more and more
spam processing hardware just to filter through all of the junk mail being
sent at us quickly enough to find and deliver the legitimate email in a
timely manner.

So what happens, unfortunately, is that there are false-positives and some
non-zero amount of legitimate email will not be delivered as it was
filtered at the domain-level, and some delivered email will be flagged as
spam and sent to your junk email folders.

Email from the same sender may get tagged as spam today and a different
email from that same sender was delivered last week because the filters are
constantly adapting the the emails they are processing at the time (e.g.,
because of other spam being sent that day, the content of a sender's
message may hit the probability level to get flagged even though you have
received email from that same person yesterday). It really has less to do
with the sender or the content of their message than it does with what the
spammers are doing at the same time when the filters are making the
comparisons.


On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 4:01=E2=80=AFPM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com> wrot=
e:

> Jim,
>
>
>
> It=E2=80=99s been like this for years. Unless it was another list, I seem=
 to
> recall that at one point mjb did something to remedy it, but it=E2=80=99s=
 for some
> reason, it seems to have slipped back into someone=E2=80=99s bad graces a=
nd gets
> nailed as junk by Outlook, even with my junk settings on =E2=80=9CLow=E2=
=80=9D. A huge
> number of our members, as well as the list name are on my Safe recipient
> list, but the emails still get tagged.  I don=E2=80=99t know what the ans=
wer is.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Stone
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 1, 2025 7:52 AM
> *To:* Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from this group go into my=
 spam
> folder.  (Gmail address accessed through Apple's Mail App.)  This thread =
is
> a good example.  I got Pat=E2=80=99s response in my inbox, while Tim=E2=
=80=99s original was
> in my junk folder.
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21=E2=80=AFAM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wro=
te:
>
>
>
> Mine does too, most of the time. I haven=E2=80=99t taken the time to see =
if it
> happens with all my emails, I don=E2=80=99t use outlook, but from my iPho=
ne & I
> think from Thunderbird.
>
>
>
> Pat Horne
>
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>=
 wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> My own email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs
>
>
>
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">The=
re literally is much more spam being sent than legitimate emails and the em=
ail providers have had to get more aggressive with their filtering. The spa=
mmers continually evolve their messages real-time to look like legitimate e=
mail, and then the legitimate emails start to look more like spam and get c=
aught-up in the filters at the domain level as well as at the individual in=
box level.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I was the CIO =
at the University of Southern=C2=A0California and we received over 30 milli=
on emails each day with 90+% of them being phishes, spams, sales, etc. It a=
lmost is like extortion as we needed to keep buying=C2=A0more and more spam=
 processing hardware just to filter through all of the junk mail being sent=
 at us quickly enough to find and deliver the=C2=A0legitimate email in a ti=
mely=C2=A0manner.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-siz=
e:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">S=
o what happens, unfortunately, is that there are false-positives and some n=
on-zero amount of legitimate=C2=A0email will not be delivered as it was fil=
tered at the domain-level, and some delivered=C2=A0email will be flagged as=
 spam and sent to your junk email folders.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-size:small">Email from the same sender may get tagged as spam t=
oday and a different email from that same sender was delivered last week be=
cause the filters are constantly adapting the the emails they are processin=
g at the time (e.g., because of other spam being sent that day, the content=
 of a sender&#39;s message may hit the probability level to get flagged eve=
n though you have received email from that same person yesterday). It reall=
y has less to do with the sender or the content of their message than it do=
es with what the spammers are doing at the same time when=C2=A0the filters =
are making the comparisons.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_cont=
ainer"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 4:01=E2=
=80=AFPM Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:JIBrooks@live.com";>JIBrooks@live=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div class=3D"msg166059182658729795">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Jim,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">It=E2=80=99s been like this for years. Unless it was another list=
, I seem to recall that at one point mjb did something to remedy it, but it=
=E2=80=99s for some reason, it seems to have slipped back into
 someone=E2=80=99s bad graces and gets nailed as junk by Outlook, even with=
 my junk settings on =E2=80=9CLow=E2=80=9D. A huge number of our members, a=
s well as the list name are on my Safe recipient list, but the emails still=
 get tagged.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t know what the answer is.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Jack<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif"> Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.te=
am.net" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Stone<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 1, 2025 7:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] gotto love outlook<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99d say about 1/3 to 1/2 of all emails from =
this group go into my spam folder. =C2=A0(Gmail address accessed through Ap=
ple&#39;s Mail App.) =C2=A0This thread is a good example.=C2=A0 I got Pat=
=E2=80=99s response in my inbox, while Tim=E2=80=99s original was in my jun=
k folder.
 =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Nov 1, 2025, at 9:21<span style=3D"font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">=E2=80=AF</span>AM, Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:patinte=
xas@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">patintexas@icloud.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></=
u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mine does too, most of the time. I haven=E2=80=99t t=
aken the time to see if it happens with all my emails, I don=E2=80=99t use =
outlook, but from my iPhone &amp; I think from Thunderbird.=C2=A0<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pat Horne=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We support Habitat for Humanity<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
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On Nov 1, 2025, at 8:08<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=E2=80=
=AF</span>AM, Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u><=
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=BF</span> <u></u>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">My ow=
n email to this group goes into my junk mail folder every time. Ffs=C2=A0<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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