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Re: Way Off-Topic -- passive solar heating

To: "Richard D Arnold" <richard.arnold@juno.com>, <mgs@Autox.Team.Net>, <spridgets@Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: Re: Way Off-Topic -- passive solar heating
From: "Ron Soave" <redlotus@spacey.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:49:16 -0500
Reply-to: "Ron Soave" <redlotus@spacey.net>
Sender: owner-spridgets@Autox.Team.Net
Sorry Richard - just re-read your post.  I will pursue a specific answer,
but if you need sources for your info, they would likely be:

Mil-Std-210 
Mil-E-87145
Def-Stan-0035
SAE applied thermodynamics manual
ASHRAE manual

They can be had at most college libraries, I'd imagine.  When I mentioned
day type, there are military standard days with different "risk" factors. 
Like Mil-Std-210 hot day can be 120 deg F with no humidity, 113 with
humidity, 103 with high humidity, etc.  For the solar load stuff, the angle
of the sun and the clarity of the sky count ("view factor" for the engrs),
but that would be in the sources listed and we can make some assumptions.

Later,
Ron
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> From: Richard D Arnold <richard.arnold@juno.com>
> To: mgs@autox.team.net; spridgets@autox.team.net
> Subject: Way Off-Topic -- passive solar heating
> Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 9:50 AM
> 
> My apologies in advance for wandering so far afield on this one....
> 
> Thought I might draw on the vast and varied knowledge of the list -- I am
> working on a project that involves being able to prove that the
> temperature inside a closed vehicle during the summer is substantially
> higher than outside.  Given the number of warnings we hear each summer
> about not leaving kids or animals inside a locked vehicle, you'd think
> that there would be a quantifiable source for this, but there doesn't
> appear to be.
> 
> I understand that this is called passive solar heating, and is similar to
> the greenhouse effect.  I also understand that there are a number of
> different factors that come into play.  What I am looking for is a
> formula or published table from a reputable source that says that if it
> is X degrees outside a car, on the average it will be Y degrees inside
> the car.  If a formula is used, I need to be able to authenticate it.
> 
> The only facts I have is that the outside temperature reached a high of
> 85 degrees F, the humidity was  was 80%, and the car was gold with a tan
> interior.  It sat in one spot, unshaded, from 3:30 am (outside temp 70
> F), through 3:00 pm (85 F) ( the outside temp reached 80 F by noon that
> day).
> 
> I already checked with assorted animal rights groups (made sense at the
> time).
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Rich Arnold
> Council Bluffs, Iowa
> 
> '74.5 RB MGB "Maggie"
> '78 Chevy Half-Ton "Waltzin' Matilda"
> '79 Midget "Miss Molly"
> 
> richard.arnold@juno.com  or  rdarnold@neonramp.com

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