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Re: [Spridgets] Open Carry - Cat and the 9mm

To: Brad Fornal <tequila.brad@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Open Carry - Cat and the 9mm
From: Kirk Hargreaves <khargreaves2@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:47:20 -0800

I think it was you who brought to my attention the story about Carter
Albrecht. .  .  a case in Texas where Carter while on the drug Chantix went
beserk over an argument with his girl friend.  For some reason he went to
the neighbors house and began to bang hard on his neighbors door.  The
neighbor shot him dead through the front door and was later absolved . . no
penalty for his actions.

Carter Albrecht became the poster boy for the bad side of the drug Chantix .
. an anti smoking drug that messes with your nicotine receptors.

Texas, as I recall (correct me if I am wrong) began to allow concealed carry
around 1991?   After which point the homicide rate began to drop

I had a concealed carry license for a while. .  until I moved to a different
county where it expired.  We had a police chief in a small town outside of
Sacramento by the name of Robert Byrd.  Byrd was pro carry and as such he
would stay hours after work each day to process anyone who wanted to CC.

After a couple of years or so the police chief in Sacramento shut him down.
Byrd was an unusual character to say the least.   But committed to second
amendment rights all the way.

The course was a very sobering experience as I became aware of the civil
actions that typically follow a self defense shooting.  At least in
California, the civil issues that occur in the aftermath can get very
messy.  You must be sure that you are matching force for force. . and still
you are very likely going to have problems.


On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Brad Fornal <tequila.brad@gmail.com> wrote:

> In Texas, you can shoot someone in your house, in your car, in the street
> if they have your property, in your place of business.
> Don't mess with Texas..     ;^P
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:54 PM, derf <derf247@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here in LA we have a local Open Carry (OC) hero.  He has followers and
>> detractors.
>> They go to places like Wal*Mart and Bass Pro Shops and stir up
>> trouble.  Most people ignore them but when a store manager asks them
>> to leave they make a big deal and try and shove their cause down other
>> people's throats.  They do more harm than good to gun owners and OC
>> proponents, IMHO.
>> One of his followers shot a guy during a drug deal and killed him.
>> The shooter had posted previously about what might be a "clean kill".
>> To me, when you post things like that on the internet it is hard to
>> say you shot someone without malice aforethought.    You can't go
>> armed to a known drug dealer to buy drugs, get into a fight, kill him
>> in his own house, and say it was self defense.  But, I'm not a lawyer
>> or a juror in the case.
>> I exercise my right to OC sometimes, like after hurricanes Katrina and
>> Gustav.  For a while after natural disasters things are iffy.  Cops
>> are busy with problems on duty and with their own personal property
>> and families.  Criminals know this and are bolder.  This is why
>> looting is so bad.  If you OC most people think you are a cop.  If you
>> look shady and OC then they think you are a narc or undercover cop.
>> Concealed carry (CC) is legal here if you take a course and pay for
>> the CC license.  The OC can be a deterrent.  Although thugs and
>> criminals are not afraid of guns, the will most likely choose easier
>> targets if they are out hunting for someone to mug.
>> OC is legal in many places.  In Texas you can shoot people stealing
>> your property.  Here in LA you have to be in fear of life or great
>> harm to be justified shooting someone.
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