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Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Thread (was REALLY, REALLY SMALL...)
From: Keith Bradshaw <bradshaw@utdallas.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:37:36 -0500
        
        Subject: BOP engine 

        I have heard from many people about the lightness of the BOP V8.
        Well I was going to put one in an Alpine (had the 1594 3 main engine).
        SO I bought a Buick AND an Oldsmobile 3.5.
        I couldn't even swap con rod nuts between the two...every part ,it 
appeared,
        of the 2 engines was totally different.
        One had a Chevy type combustion chamber, the other had a pent roof 
style.
        Even the number of head bolts was different!!
        Everyone talks about the Buick, but I think the Olds had more potential.

        As for weight...I could lift the Alpine engine (w/o head) out of the 
Alpine, 
        and set it on a fender before I climbed out....the V-8's even without 
heads
        were very heavy with a thick crank and eight pistons. 
 
        I don't think the Buick V8 was lighter than just about any 4 cylinder 
around,
        except for Pontiac Tempest's 194 c.i. slant four ,which was half of the 
389 V8.

        My guess was the Alpine engine full up was 180 lbs and the V8's full up 
were  
        300 lbs. 

        That is lighter than a chevy (540 lbs or so )but doesn't give you a 
huge advantage over
        a thin wall casting such as  the Ford V8 (390-440 lbs?)

        The transmissions that came with the engines (3 speed manual and 2 
speed automatic) were
        extremely light.  The auto was even lighter than the manual!

         
        regards


        mBrad
                 
              Yo;
              
              -Mid-'70's a good friend who also worked at the same Automotive 
              Machine shop/Engine Rebuilder put a fairly "stock" (balanced, 
rebuilt) 
              AL 215 V-8 with TURBO & intercooler into a DATSUN 510 wagon that 
was 
              his wife's grocery-getter. It sure surprised the local Porsche & 
280-Z
              crowd. The 215 took up less room and was lighter than the stock 
              4-holer. Until he dialed in the springs, it looked like the 
engine was 
              already out of the car...great for weight transfer at stop lights 
but 
              looked like hell and was a little front-end light on the freeway.
              
              
                               Phil
              
              
              
              
         
         
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         Subject: RE: New Thread (was REALLY, REALLY SMALL...)
         Author:  "Richard Atherton (Entex)" <a-richat@MICROSOFT.com> at 
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         Date:    6/17/96 7:36 PM
         
         
          The Ultimate AutoCross car would be a stiffened Alpine powered by the
         very light Buick (Rover) 215 V-8...It's very light, about the same 
         weight as the Alpine engine, and with some aftermarket goodies, 
capable 
         of over 400 HP, but easily built to be very reliable at around 300 HP, 
         and with the right parts, very High RPM in the 9,000 range !!!  This 
has 
         been a popular engine swap in England, and I have been trying to get 
         some literature on it.  I have the engine, and am working on getting 
the 
         car...ooooo Boy, will it be fast!
              
         Rich
              
              
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         >From:  RKEMPINS@SSF4.jsc.nasa.gov[SMTP:RKEMPINS@SSF4.jsc.nasa.gov] 
         >Sent:  Friday, June 14, 1996 7:31 AM
         >To:  lrw@aop.com; tigers@autox.team.net
         >Subject:  New Thread (was REALLY, REALLY SMALL...) 
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         >REPLY FROM: Kempinski, Robert M.
         >  
         > 
         >Larry said
         >>  Gimme a break; the List seems so empty there's an echo in
         >>here there's an echo in here there's an echo in here. Really looking 
         >>for a thread. Any thread.
         >
         >Here's a topic for a thread - what would you do if you came upon a 
         >complete but totally disassembled Alpine, with totally bare shell, 
         >previously dipped and coated with epoxy primer, no structural rust 
and 
         >very 
         >minor dents, and you really wanted a specialized autocross car? 
         >
         >Juice up the Alpine motor?
         >Replace it with a V-8?
         >Mod the suspension?
         >
         >Any opinions?
         >
         >
         >Regards,
         >
         >Rob Kempinski
         >Houston Texas
         >
         >P.S. I'll be on vacation for two weeks but I'll read the threads when 
I 
         >get 
         >back.  Have a great one.
         >
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