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Re: Re[4]: The trouble with TAC / Call for consensus and san

To: a-richat@MICROSOFT.com
Subject: Re: Re[4]: The trouble with TAC / Call for consensus and san
From: brockctella@juno.com (Brock C Tella)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:26:09 PST
Go out and find aTiger that is rusted away and buy the VIN and Paperwork
and add it to your car. Preserve the marque, and your not doing any
harm.
On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:51:33 -0800 "Richard Atherton (Entex)"
<a-richat@MICROSOFT.com> writes:
>       In no way would I expect a V-8 converted Alpine to sell for 
>more
>than a really good tiger, unless it was built for a specific purpose,
>like Racing, where performance alone will dictate the price.  The
>regular street Tigers should get more than Alpine with an engine swap,
>that would only make sense.  But I ask this again, How many V-8 
>powered
>Alpines are being touted as being Tigers?  It would take a hell of a 
>lot
>of work, to change everything that is even obviouse to make it look 
>like
>a Tiger, and the expense to do so won't justify the return even if it
>does get sold as a Tiger.   Ok, well other than doing a quick Hack job
>and selling it to some dumb car lot.  These cars are not being cloned
>like Shelby Cobra's are, so the odds of seeing a quality knock off are
>nill.  That's my point.  Since they are not being cloned, I quess just
>don't see the point in the TAC verification.  That's just my opinion.
>When I finally do my conversion, it will never be sold as a Tiger.  It
>will be sold as a modified Alpine that handles better, steers easier,
>and goes faster than a Tiger....But your are correct, if it was a real
>Tiger in the same shape, I would be able to get more for it, and thats
>the way it should be.
>
>Rich
>
>
>> ----------
>> From:        CoolVT@aol.com[SMTP:CoolVT@aol.com]
>> Sent:        Sunday, March 16, 1997 2:25 PM
>> To:  Richard Atherton (Entex); rs11@elsegundoca.ncr.com;
>> nicholsj@oakwood.org; tigers@autox.team.net
>> Subject:     Re: Re[4]: The trouble with TAC / Call for 
>consensus and
>> san
>> 
>> Regardless of your feeling on the TAC project their is a pratical 
>side
>> to
>> knowing exactly what you have purchased.  Most of us approach Tigers
>> as a
>> hobby and although we want to think that we aren't interested in the
>> money
>> side of the hobby it is a fact of life.  When and if you or your 
>heirs
>> decide
>> to sell the Tiger, the market will price your car according to what
>> the
>> market thinks it's worth.  When we purchased our Tigers how did we
>> decide its
>> value?  Most probably the market pretty much set the price.  This
>> price was
>> determined in part by condition and originality.  Ask someone who 
>has
>> advertised an Alpine conversion for sale and stated that it is in 
>fact
>> a
>> conversion, what they have been able to sell the car for.  You will
>> find in
>> most cases that it would sell for less than a car that came from the
>> factory
>> as a Tiger.
>>    The point is that the market says that a true Tiger is worth more
>> than a
>> converted one.  In the early 80's i was in the market for a 63 Vette 
>(
>> the
>> only year with the split rear window).  The Vette faternity is
>> fanatical on
>> originality with all matching numbers, etc...   I looked at a bunch
>> and many
>> had replacement engines, transmissions, etc...   I waited until i
>> found one
>> that was as original as possible.  I paid $12,000 for the car and 
>kept
>> it for
>> about 9 yrs.  It sold for $22,5000.  The buyer said that he was
>> willing to
>> pay the price because the price books said that was approximately 
>what
>> a very
>> nice original with matching #'s was worth.  Some 64 Vette owners had 
>a
>> piece
>> expertly fitted into the rear wondow to try and turn it into a split
>> wondow.
>>  Serious buyers of 63's would not pay the same price for a 64 being
>> passed
>> off as a 63.
>>    The long and short of it is that a true Tiger is worth more at 
>sale
>> time
>> than a converted Alpine.  The market has determined this.  There is
>> nothing
>> wrong with someone enjoying a converted Alpine.  They should just
>> realize
>> when they purchase that they should pay less because it will sell 
>for
>> less
>> later.  That seems to leave only the system for determining what a
>> real Tiger
>> is.  The TAC system will either prove its worth over time or it will
>> be
>> replaced with another system.  The market will decide. 
>>   By the way the sale of the "real 63 Vette" enabled me to purchase 
>my
>> present Tiger and a new Jeep pick-up.  I will shut up on this 
>subject
>> in the
>> future.    Mark 
>> 
>

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