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RE: Brakes

To: <larry.p@erols.com>
Subject: RE: Brakes
From: "Allan Connell" <alcon@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:58:08 -0700
Larry, Chris and the list,

Maybe I should clarify the "DOT 5" I mentioned in an earlier post.

The Lucas DOT 5 I mentioned should not be confused with silicone based DOT
5.  It is indeed REAL DOT 5 brake fluid.  The bottle reads:

Lucas DOT 5.1 Brake Fluid, 1 Litre

It also notes that it "Contains Polyalkylene Glycol....Brake Fluid Will
Damage Paintwork"

Or those who want the extra oomf or heat protection of REAL DOT 5 brake
fluid, this is the stuff.  But it is probably best suited for those who
drive their car more often than I do.  As I mentioned in a later post, for
the longevity of my system I am considering going to silicone.  If I was
sure "sleeving" the cylinders would correct the problem, I would then go
that route and continue to use the Lucas stuff.

For those who cannot locate Lucas DOT 5.1 brake fluid, I go my jug at
Autotech Sports Tuning in San Juan Capistrano, CA.  I am sure they have an
800 number, but I don't have it.

Hope this helps.  I have no intention of starting a debate....like I said,
just a clarification.  Larry makes some great points about the SILICONE DOT
5.

Regards,

Allan

-----Original Message-----
From:   Larry Paulick [mailto:larry.p@erols.com]
Sent:   Thursday, September 16, 1999 12:24 PM
To:     Allan Connell
Cc:     Chris Vaught; tiger list
Subject:        Re: Brakes

Chris, let me give you another view to DOT 5 "Silicone" brake fluid.

DOT 5 will not harm your paint, and doesn't absorb water, like DOT 3 or 4.

DOT 4 Must be bleed out of the entire system, before using DOT 5 or you
will get soft spongy brakes.

DOT 5 will let water in the system, and then because it is heavier than
DOT 5 it will go to the low points, which could be the brake lines,
which if are old, and no longer have a protective coating will rust from
the inside.  Looks great on the outside, but.

DOT 5 fluid is not used in racing cars, even though it has good heat
properties.

I used DOT 5 once in a Vette, and did not know this and had soft brakes,
even though I bleed the brakes repeatedly.

Brake bleeding is not that hard, and can be done by one person. There
are 2 systems that work great for bleeding yourself.

E-Z Bleed uses low pressure, tire pressure at 5-15 lb., with a resiovor
of fluid, and pressurizes the system through the master cylinder.  You
open the bleed valve at each wheel and you are finished.  One of my cars
requires bleeding 1/yr and it takes me 30 minutes.  Most of the time
jacking up the wheel and taking off the tire.

There is a another system that is sold by several people, which uses a
spring loaded ball at the bleeder fitting, and you pump the brakes, and
the ball prevents air from coming into the system.

Brake Fluid is cheap, and with a little experience bleeding the lines
takes no more time than changing the oil.

Larry


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