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Re: Springs

To: Stephen Waybright <gswaybright@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Springs
From: Larry Paulick <lpaulick@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:21:51 -0500
Stephen is on the mark again.  The Tiger's front sway bar is really 
binding.  To check it out, take it off and go over something like the 
small curb in your driveway.  You will really notice the difference.  I 
make my own design that use poly bushing and spiracle ends, but am 
looking at a Mark 2 design as well.

Now Stephen's rear suspension is really nice, and maybe one day.

Stephen, since Griggs made your suspension for you and you are a former 
customer, could you ask them if two way adjustable shocks would work to 
control the dive.  As you know shocks like Koni's adjustable shocks only 
control the rebound, not the compression.

Suspension theory several years ago was going towards lighter springs, 
and heavier shocks and sway bars.

Griggs is a specialist and should be able to answer this question with 
some authority.

Larry

Stephen Waybright wrote:

>There are a lot of variables and subjective factors that affect
>perceived ride quality, and in a Tiger over-constrained (binding)
>suspension designs are a huge contributor to it's "harshness"... Dale's
>"low friction" roll bar setup in front along with the heim joint
>multi-link coil-over rear suspension I have from Griggs Racing were all
>specifically designed to eliminate these binding issues in the Tiger.
>One result is that I can (or possibly must) increase the spring rates
>all around because those binding forces are no longer there working to
>restrict suspension travel. The plus is (in theory anyway) that it
>should provide an exrteme improvement in suspension compliance
>(suspension compliance = good tire contact/traction over bumps and good
>ride qualty)
>
>If you have the "low friction" bar conversion you may find you want
>heavier front springs. I beleive Larry also has this and that's why we
>both feel we have too much nose dive.
>
>It's always best to work the spring rate up a step at a time though,
>since a ride that's too stiff for your liking will really take any
>enjoyment you have out of the driving experience.
>
>Stephen Waybright
>
>--- Dave Munroe <dave@munroe.ca> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>my conclusion is that the spring rate you need is dependent upon a
>>    
>>
>lot
>  
>
>>of
>>variables, not the least of which is the state of the roads on which
>>you
>>drive.
>>
>>650* springs? Not on my car, Stephen! I have 325# springs from Coil
>>Spring Specialties up front, stockers on the rear, 1986 issue Konis
>>all
>>around on the softest setting, and I have ridden shotgun in gravel
>>trucks with more "ride quality" than my Tiger. Maybe for the race
>>track,
>>or autocross, but a cross country jaunt to SUNI, I don't think so.





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